I don’t know how backwards this might sound to some people but christ i think the toxicity spewed from people who might not even have medals claiming they do is worse than if there were a scoreboard to view everyone’s in the first place.
Just add a LoL style scoreboard with everyone’s contributions being shown, kills separate from assists could be an option.
I don’t really see what value a scoreboard would add. People already know when they/a teammate is doing well or doing poorly. Scoreboard stats also don’t paint a complete picture, especially in a game like Overwatch.
I’m going to admit it: a lot of the time I don’t actually know when I’m personally doing well or not, let alone whether my teammates are. It would be helpful to see how badly I’m doing compared to the others. A scoreboard wouldn’t give me a perfect yardstick, sure, but I’d have something more useful to gauge my performance by than a medal.
I still don’t see how knowing you have 3 more final blows than the other DPS on your team helps, or knowing you’ve done 1,674 more healing than the other support.
That’s what I meant when I said I don’t think stats are terribly important in a game like Overwatch. As a Zen main, sometimes my accuracy is like 10%, but I still have a great game because those shots I was missing were still suppressing the enemy and making them less likely to poke their heads out.
I just don’t see a scoreboard being useful or even relevant for a game like OW. In a game like CoD it makes much more sense. There’s a much greater level of homogeneity, so showing who has the most kills/assists/etc is perfectly reasonable. In OW, the existence of different roles and specializations and hybrid classes makes this data a lot less meaningful IMO.
Its just funny how Jeff & other people have said that its gonna increase more toxicity even this game has more toxicity without it.
This scrappy medal system just needs to go. They should add scoreboard or not have medals at all.
Also when people are saying how they have so many gold medals how can we actually know that since theres no scoreboard to prove it?
Scoreboards with a select function based on hero chosen would give you more insight, elims, deaths, assists and accuracy are general, a couple more selected fields like healing done, accuracy or even healing received can be given to heroes that do have that as their primary function.
Though your point is that there’s too many things going on in a game like OW for a scoreboard to matter, the scoreboard’s purpose is to just give a rough gauge, nobody is going to look at the scoreboard and do extreme mental gymnastics to understand truly down to the T how efficient someone is by calculating % of shots hit and how many of them were headshots. It gives every member on the team a general idea of how each of their members are doing and does not let there be excuses without backup.
The game USED TO HAVE a scoreboard with a full Kill/Death ratio. All it did was allow players to be excessively toxic to the players who were having a bad game who racked up a lot of deaths without being able to get many kills.
Are players who rack up deaths without getting kills (feeding) the kind of people you want on your team to talk to you like they’re better than you without evidence? Toxicity is an issue, but once you ignore it it’s just white noise.
There’s a difference between feeding and actually having a bad day though. Not everyone who plays the game is some uber-gamer who has trained for years to be proficient at first person shooters. Some people just want to enjoy the game after a hard day at work. Everyone has good days and bad days. I’ve had my fair share, but it wouldn’t help me if i had my team ragging on me every time I got sniped by Widow for not knowing her ultimate was still active as I poke around a corner.
You’re including external factors that should have no place in a competitive environment.
I guess we just have a difference of opinion. I see a scoreboard as nothing more than a mass of mostly useless data that would be used as a cudgel to berate teammates more than anything else.
If a teammate is doing poorly, I think it’s pretty obvious. If a Widow isn’t hitting her shots or getting any kills, people are very aware. I don’t think saying something like “omg Widow ur not getting any picks switch” is any different than “omg Widow ur k:d ration is trash switch”. The presence of stats might make you feel like you have indisputable evidence that the Widow won’t be able to excuse, but I don’t see it working out favorably in reality.
Well, I know where I stand when someone picks Zen. However, I run into people who play an aggressive Moira/Ana/Bap, and it would be nice to identify them, even belatedly. I usually play a support but if two are picked before me, I’ll try a DPS, for better or worse. Probably worse. If I could quickly and easily identify a DPS Moira I could try switching to an actual healer.
As a DPS, if I’m way behind the gold on kills + dmg done, then I guess I’m probably being carried, and I need to improve. If I end up getting a silver medal but come within a hair’s breadth of the top dog, then I hopefully did okay for myself.
The perks of having a central scoreboard is that that widow knows his or her teammates will be able to see his stats as well. It’s not just a one-way thing, I estimate toxicity to not be as boosted as people say, since it would be downright embarrassing to insult someone for playing bad then they have a higher k/d than them. It makes people watch their tongue until the near end of the games.
are you crazy?
Do you have any idea what an influx of whining awaits us on the forums.
closed profiles were specifically made for these “people”.
I get that you’re supporting the idea of a scoreboard while being sarcastic and show hate towards people that you believe are lower than you for whining on a forums you don’t have to view if you don’t want to, but at least phrase it properly and not let this discussion devolve into something more hate-filled than its base idea already is.
My point is that it’s already very easy to identify a DPS Moira. Always purple, never yellow, always flanking, using fade aggressively, etc. If you see that your team is never being healed and your Moira is constantly getting crazily aggressive, I don’t think you need a scoreboard to realize that picking another support (to actually heal) would be a wise decision.
People already do some crazy mental gymnastics when they’re tilted and toxic. Just because someone has a lower k:d ratio than someone else doesn’t mean they won’t lash out. And just because someone has a higher k:d ratio doesn’t mean they actually did well.
That’s what the other selected fields to measure effectiveness of hero played is for.
Though it is easy to identify a DPS moira, the moira can just claim that he heals more than you think. A scoreboard limits false claims and lets everyone’s effectiveness be clearly seen.
It’s funny how Blizzard did this to try and stop people from picking on someone not doing a good job, but then people just end up talking down on literally everyone even if they are doing a good job. One time there was a Widow on my team and everyone started freaking out telling him to switch. He was getting a decent amount of picks but everyone said we ended up losing just because he was playing Widow. Bottom line is now instead of people getting flamed for doing poorly, people get flamed even if they do well.
Yeah really. The lack of information from which people scream at each other after a defeat is much better and makes the game less toxic.
Closed profiles, no scoreboard. The game simply does not have the opportunity to find out why the team is not working well.
Any statement that someone plays bad will be unproven.
The irony is that all these attempts to reduce toxicity only increase it. I play many FPS shooters and an overwatch the most toxic game of all.
Yeah, that’s why i’m asking for a scoreboard basically.