Im not extremely sure why we needed a mccree nerf to begin with
Mccree is one of the least problematic hitscans at the moment only being beat my soldier.
Ashe and Widow are destroying right now, ashe far more than widow and widow got a nerf.
Why does mccree need a nerf, especially one this big, his winrate was already negative, and now it turned into horrible
They wanted to nerf a lot of damage down because of the barrier and healing nerfs that have come recently
If ashe and widow were nerfed the right way, he would be too strong imo
That was because of ashe and widow.
I can guarantee if ashe and widow were nerfed the right way, Mccree would be OP
He’s dead.
I’m happy.
if his fire rate wasn’t buffed for no reason on the first place, we wouldn’t have this now. 
No, he wouldnt have. Even before ashe or widow were this popular or used he still wasnt op, even with the old buffs.
Hes been at negative winrate for ages and ages and ages.
“for no reason” often if a hero is underpowered they deserve a nerf, or do you agree then that after the huge influx of mercy and brig nerfs they didnt deserve any of the buffs because there just “wouldnt be a reason”
“Big”. It’s the same ROF he’s had since 2016, except the period where he randomly got a buff to 0.42s because “oh god DPS are junk we need to buff everyone to compete with GOATS”.
McCree wasn’t trash then, and now he is? Would it have something to do with the fact that Ashe is basically Widow+ and McCree+ instead?
well that was also before the shield nerfs and the million other changes to the game
Ok well the simple answer is: They want to tune down ranged pure damage in the game because it’s causing massive issues gameplay-wise to a degree where main tanks are near unplayable right now
He didn’t need an overall nerf though. They should’ve buffed the rest of his kit as compensation and probably will do so soon
What I am saying is that blizzard should stop making changes that makes no sense. What was the exact reason for that fire rate buff?
He is burst damage dealer not a machinegunner.
“randomly”? Even in the meta where dps were bad he was one of the worse dps by winrate, even in GM where skill is the biggest thing, next to that since powercreep has been such a big thing, reverting someone back to their old state in 2016 is suicide for that hero.
The only heroes that wouldnt have that would be the ones that were OP to begin with.
Yes. The start of the game was the only real time he wasnt trash, 2017-2018 he was “meh, decent” 2019 he was horrible, and 2020 thus far his winrate has passed 50% in gm for a total of one time, by being 50.01%.
His winrate before this nerf was 49% already.
Now his pickrate as well dropped to below 0.3% as well, where hes played on average as much as sombra, and less than symmetra.
And in all ranks combined, his pickrate dropped to below average, and winrate to the worst of all heroes at 43%. Even below sombra.
Before all thism he was already the worst winrate hero in the entire game in all ranks combined at a whopping 45.75%
The issue is though that mccree wasnt the one they should have nerfed, since he was already in a bad state beforehand
His poor performance.
Low elo players can’t aim, and high elo players are going to dumpster McCree with Ashe or Widow. What’s the mystery here?
Is 0.08s the hill to die on? Or is “Ashe is way too good” the better approach?
Ok, buff something else in him to make him stronger in his niche.
U kinda gave yourself an answer. Hitscans. Why even play something else if you have either oneshot hitscans, or flank hitscans (Tracer) ? Want a solid machine gun Cree … which is again hitscan for flankers, then he was your choice.
There were alot of powercreep because shields were to strong when Orisa / Sigma became a thing. Cree would have had a high pickrate if it werent for overbuffed Ashe. He was still picked because he could dish out so much damage with his machine-gun, the nerf was justified. He is now on a spot where he needs other QoL buffs to become a viable choice…but this is not gonna happen till Ashe becomes mortal in first case.
ashe is way too good atm, doesnt mean that mccree isnt underpowered, and this thread is about cree not ashe
They buffed him to counter GOATs, which no longer exists. In fact, shields and tanks are all numerically worse than they were during GOATs. Thus, machine gun fire rate is too strong.
The patch focus was reverting and nerfing powercreep, and that’s what it did. Just like how they reverted Junkrat and Sym and Pharah buffs.
Mcree was the top DPS hitscan pick this entire YEAR up until Ashe got buffed. Stop calling him weak. He was a top/THE top pick in GM and OWL for months to the point where during Hero Pools that were based on pickrates he got banned EVERY OTHER WEEK on cooldown. Are we forgetting that? Him and Widow were banned 24/7 because they were the top picks. OWL commentators would laugh at players take picked Ashe in games instead of Mcree.
Then Ashe got 7 consecutive buffs and shields got nerfed further and Ashe swallowed Mcree’s viability. But that’s more of a problem with Ashe being OP and not Mcree being “bad”, he’s just not as OP as her. She honestly needed harder nerfs in the Hitscan patch that nerfed his fire rate.
Mcree can use, MAYBE, 250 HP, and probably a stun revert. And that’s about it tbh. No fire rate buff. 
in OWL, sure he was strong. In GM? His winrate has been above 50% a total of 1 time from the last 6 months, and last 3 months his winrate has never reached that 50%. IF you wanted to make it just about owl then sure thats one, but in gm he hasnt been an amazing pick since forever.
no, hes bad, he had a worse winrate than soldier, and has a worse pickrate than soldier atm. In GM. He is bad, comparing to any other hitscan, not just ashe.
Winrate is kind of irrelveant when you’re the the most/a most picked DPS in the rank. 50% while being one of/the top DPS pick is pretty good.
And Soldier is powercrept too, duh??? 20 damage bullet and faster shooting after sprint and better spread and Helix CD buff? All given during GOATs/Double Shield? Even tho 20 damage alone made Soldier OP in first year OW and had to get nerfed, now he has that + way more and is “bad” that just shows how bad powercreep has gotten.
Because He caused the Ashe buffs so now that she and Widow are getting nerfed He is just as well
I see you remembered what I said about the commentators thing