OW1 had a pretty good balance with Echo ult. If you did reasonably well, you could get 1 ult off. If you popped off you could get 2.
Now it’s extremely difficult to even get 1 ult off with most heroes. Everybody is more spread out and there is one less tank to build charge off of. The 300 hp limit makes cloning tanks a non-option most of the time because you’ll get blown up instantly. I legitimately wonder what percentage of JQ dupes have actually gotten ult off, I would wager low single digits.
What does Echo ult actually accomplish now? You get to choose from one of 4 heroes or 1 nerfed hero to be for 12 seconds, and you have a low-ish chance of maybe ulting. What a joke. At least in OW1 you could have an extra tank on your team for a bit. There are very few heroes that you can usually get value out of duping (Reaper, for instance) and at that point why not just pick that hero instead and get to ult all the time?
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lolno.
Echo is finally somewhat balanced after literally being broken on live the last 2 years. Her ult in ow1 did too much
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They should increase the health limit to 400 and make it so there’s no delay when duplicating, you can start moving, attacking, healing, using abilities, etc. instantly.
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People abuse that ult on tanks. It’s deserved to be nerfed in 5v5.
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You mean, if you were blind and just flailed at buttons after a Duplicate you got an ult off. Then, sure.
With MOST (not all, that’s true) heroes, you got your ult in Dupe within 2-3 seconds if you used the ult smartly. I’ve seen D.va dupes get off THREE consistently. The only limiter on it was all the CC everywhere.
Dupe was stupid broken, gave Echo a ridiculous get out of jail free card with game breaking power, and needed to be changed.
OW2 Dupe, on the other hand, feels really well balanced. Powerful, but you can adapt to it on the fly and actually have a chance of knocking her out of it without tons of stacked CC.
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I feel like this applies to so many heroes people want buffs for. Echo is finally in a good spot. Brig is finally In a good spot. Sigma barely got any changes going into 5v5 which shows how strong he already is in ow1 and he’s also in a good spot. Well, he’s one of the strongest tanks in the game but I digress. Dare I say tracer as well? That one might be too controversial
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As an Echo main I would say she is actually just good in OW2. Not meta or weak, just in the middle. Which is good spot to be in my opinion. As she is neither OP nor UP.
In OW1 yes, however in OW2 it would have been too powerful. As with one less tank, her dupe would allow her team to have two tanks. In addition to the extra tank being much stronger than the enemy’s tank. Hence the health nerf, as having a full health tank on steroids could easily win any fights.
It is not a big loss, tanks still have good ults to steal so they are still worth duping. Plus this does encourage duping other heroes which is how Echo is intended to be played.
Pick and adopt according to the situation, as oppose to always being Reinhardt 2.0.
Indeed you do need to play safer now, but this is fair given her role as a diver. Even in OW1 it is pretty unsafe and easy to waste her ult if not careful.
I feel this power adjustment is fair for 5v5.
Should come up quicker tho tbh or revert/ semi revert the hp when returning out of ult nerf to atleast 150hp
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Would it be broken if Echo could copy not just enemeis but also her own teammates with her ult? Without preventing them from changing?
Agreed. I get why the health limit exists but at the same time, I would love to see it raised to at least 350-400.
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Which was by design as a tanks are much more powerful than before. Also Winston is still a great dupe target, because of the HP gain in his Ult.
I fail to see how having up to two extra lives, three for dva dupe, in an Ult makes it weak.
Yeah Winston and Reaper are really the only two dupes I can think of that I get reliable value out of.
I fail to see how having up to two extra lives, three for dva dupe, in an Ult makes it weak.
I mean imagine if Junk ult or Mercy ult was you get 2x 100hp boosts. People would riot. That’s nice but it’s not as impactful as any other ult in the game. That’s what bap and JQ have on cooldown.
DPS is not allowed to do damage according to these forums, and ults especially are supposed to feel and be useless.
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Just copy the ana thats in every game, nade the supports as u fly above them, and hit an ez sleep on the tank, ez team fight win, dont even need to get nano off