Echo nerf would be silly

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Echo is the only Phara counter in the game and you dont really wanna mess with that.
People are often screaming that Echo is overpowered because of the beam combo which can kill a squish (Genji players cry the most of them :D), but if you keep your distance from her then she cant really hurt you…
Echo is very inconsistent and playing her isnt always easy.

Mcree does like 20dmg per shot to Pharah, Ashe maybe 30. There is nothing wrong with your hitscan DPS skills if they cant kill Pharah so dont be mean at them, it wont make them play better.
I can kill Pharah with Hanzo much easier than with Ashe or Cree so thats how bad it actually is…

If there was no Echo the Pharah/Mercy would be too dominant.

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Echo is one of the hardest heros to play
She is much vulnerable than pharah because you actually need to aim and watch yours cooldowns, and stay close to actually be consistent

People cry too much

A heal, a hits can, or even some projectiles destroys echo

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There’s a good 6 or 7 heroes that can reliably counter Pharah other than Echo, with at least half a dozen more that can make her life annoying depending on the map. PharMercy wasn’t anymore dominant than it is now before Echo was in the game.

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Hitscans didnt have that much od a damage fall off back in those days… You could destroy Pharah with Ashe or you didnt even have to aim with Soldier cuz of his spread he had… Now its really hard for Ashe and Cree to kill Phara, because when youre too close she will destroy you with 2 rockets and when youre far you do no damage to her.

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Unless they’re playing across the map in which case it’s just aimless spam damage and there’s there’s plenty of ways to counter it (d.va matrix, sigma shield, zarya bubbles) until you can close the distance. In maps with sightlines that long widow also becomes a strong pick, so does ana who does a flat 70 damage across any range and is a hitscan scoped. If your support can’t pick ana, or your hitscan can’t hit her with a mercy pocket, or if your tanks can’t pick d.va, sigma, or zarya to mitigate some of the spam idk what to tell you.

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Echo needs her relationship with the tanks adjusted. Couldn’t give a rat’s about Pharah situation.

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Exactly. Her skill shots require almost no skill vs tanks. On top of that her Ult being used on tanks is insane while using it on most other heros its average at best.

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Isn’t Echo one of Mercy’s best partners after Pharah anyway?

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Correction: Echo is the EASIEST hero to play. Watching your cooldowns is what basic DPS heroes do that have to engage the enemy rather than sit in the backline and shoot.

2nd. ECHO can easily 1 shot people and melt tanks.

3rd. SHE IS NOWHERE near as vulnerable as pharah when her ultimate basically gives her a second life.

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4th before you tell me oh im biased because I play genji, I also play echo. I know from firsthand experience how broken the character is.

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Omg a ultimate is strong, who would have guessed?

Oh she can one shot using at least 3 of her abiities
I think the character you are looking for is hanzo, or doomfist, or mcree, that only need 1 skill

You are biased because you are a genji main, I play hanzo too, but not because he is fun, but because he is stronger than all my mains together(echo included)

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Na Echo should be able to deal with tanks. Tanks shouldn’t get away free. That’s what makes playing Echo so fun. Tank diff is strong, copy helps a lot with tank diff.

Sigma, Hog and DVA are all op right now.

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This is false. Snipers like Widowmaker and Ana are strong against Pharah. As are heroes like Soldier and McCree who fire at faster rates than she can. Even Baptiste is a strong opponent, and Roadhog can Hook her out of the sky.

Most mobile-burst heroes are; but I wouldn’t say she’s as inconsistent as Doomfist or Genji.

No, there are harder.

This is true.

This is false. Falloff for Cassidy and Ashe isn’t severe for aerial opponents because Pharah and Echo can’t reach more than 25 meters into the air on most maps. Even when calculating for that, Cassidy and Ashe will never reach maximum falloff even at 45-degree-plus angles relative to Pharah.

Echo takes at least 12-seconds to destroy Reinhardt’s barrier. That’s at least 3 Firestrikes. And Sticky Bombs will do less than 130 damage on a full-health Reinhardt.

Same deal with Winston, same with Sigma.

D.va will chew up Sticky Bombs with Defense Matrix, and will have Defense Matrix available every time Sticky Bombs is up on cooldown.

Roadhog completely negates Sticky Bombs and Focusing Beam with TAB.

Orisa brings Sticky Bombs to 60 damage at best, and Focusing Beam is largely mitigated by Fortify.

No this is false. Soldier and Reaper are easier to play than Echo.

This is false. Echo requires a combination of things to happen for a one-shot combo to apply. At least 4 sticky bombs have to connect followed by 1 second of Focusing Beam. Or a combination of basic shots and sticky bombs followed by Focusing Beam.

And she doesn’t melt Tanks when she cannot break barriers as fast as Cassidy, Reaper, Soldier, or Sombra could.

Echo cannot deal with Tanks. No one can, solo.

This is false.

So much misinformation and misperception. Math easily proves most of this as wrong.

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Tbf most skill shots are not skill shots against tanks.

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Sigma is the worst designed hero in Overwatch. A shield, defense matrix and CC. Double shield is the most broken comp on ladder.

Hog got two buffs to take a breather, movement and resistance making him op.

DVA got an armor buff and remech damage buff making her op.

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Not much different from Orisa, a barrier, fortify, and crowd control.

Yes, damage-resistance creep started happening around the time Orisa was released.

Still lower than her original armor of 500.

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Always had the thought she shouldn’t be able to heroes ult awhile copying. She should only have the abilities.

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I don’t think a person who can misquote widow hs multiplier and other crucial stats in a seriously long post should be lecturing other people about math, misinformation and misperception.

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And that isn’t very heard to do at all.

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Also, how does genji have to do anything with Echo lmao. Whether I play genji or not, my opinion on Echo would not change.

Hanzo is a sniper so it makes sense he should 1 shot targets. Doomfist rarely 1 shots unless you
A.) have bad positioning
B.) lack gameawareness
C.) team doesn’t focus the doom

McCree
A.) 1 shots you if you don’t bait his flash or respect his range

And finally,

there’s no way ur saying hanzo is stronger than Echo. Only people in lower elos would think that which would explain everything