Echo Is Everything I Wish Genji Was

I’m a Master Doom main, for context, and I’ve been trying new heroes out, in particular dive DPS, and I really wanted to like Genji, but man… It feels like this character is just lacking. Especially when compared to Echo.

I spent a few days playing both characters. And I had great success on Echo. I’ve been utterly destroying people. And even in losses, which was usually a Support issue, I felt like I was still doing good.

But Genji, oh man. This guy… Idk. Sometimes I would pop off and score a sexy kill feed. But usually I felt like I was just contributing nothing all game. Especially so in games that we lost.

From my experience, it feels like Genji is just lacking too much in the poke department. His damage outside of his burst and dive is laughable.

In contrast, Echo’s poke is not bad. She can do quite a bit of damage from a distance, and can even occassionally be lethal if she lands enough Stickys on someone.

Both characters have great close range executes, and Genji can snowball to more executes. But the issue is getting people to that point. Genji is really reliant on his teammates setting up kills for him to finish them off. Whereas Echo can play off of someone else as well, but can also very easily get someone to that point, herself.

Both have good Ults, and while Genji’s can pop off, without help his Ult can accomplish nothing. Once again proving his reliance on others. Once he starts getting the kills rolling, he’ll start smoking. But it’s getting that first and second kills. He’s so feast or famine.

Whereas Echo, her Ult is so versatile that, yeah, if you want to team wipe them yourself you will probably need some help, but with her you could also take a supportive Ult, etc. She’s super versatile and her Ult has many different uses and can make plays even without scoring multiple kills. Whereas Genji’s is a dud if he doesn’t land a kill or two quickly.

Then there’s the fact of how effective Echo is at assassinating fliers, by herself even. Whereas Genji, again, would only be able to finish someone off, and is entirely reliant on someone getting them down to a low enough health that he could go for his execute.

Genji’s only saving grace is his Deflect, with its ability to cancel and even redirect Ults. But that requires quite a lot of predictory and reactionary skills. And Echo can almost do just that, even, by her Ult. Turning her opponent’s strength against them. And the only prerequisite for doing that well is to know the characters enough to be able to play as them.

Idk… Thoughts? I want to know if it’s just me or if others feel Genji is lacking. I think if he just had better poke capabilities he could shine but I’m open minded on the conversation.

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Genji is fine, like Winston, it’s the rest of the game that is broken.

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Echos been better then genji for a long time shes has a way like way better effort to value ratio but for osme reason she not popular like shes better then genji at almost everything but is just not popular which i attributes to her comingout during the dark era of ow1 while genjis always been their and is very intangled with the lore while echo is not.

I dont think he needs better poke we had that back in ow1 but genjis strongest was when he had more tools like his launch tripple jump wall resting jump. What genji needs is his old tecs back imo

Genji has a… Design appeal (weebs)

I few genji mains i talk with dont like him before of that but because of his faster play style they also usaly like doom ball and lucio they just like fast characters

And do you realy think weebs are that big of the population like i dont even think you could count me because i grow up in japan so does likeing genji make me a weeb?

Like many illnesses having acute form and chronic form. Yes

Western genji mains are acute weebs you are a chronic one. Im sorry thats the rules.

/j ily

So ever reaper main is a edge lore emo who needs to be put on a watch list and every soldier player is a military head

It’s probably hard for you to tell because you’re really good, but Echo is harder than Genji for most of us because she’s a glass cannon. A good Echo is terrifying, but your common or garden Echo is lying on the floor with a big smoking hole in her head.

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Thats one thing too. Echo is damage damage damage. People underestimate how much space deflects buys for genji

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Genji has felt weak for a while now. Not weak in the sense that he’s under powered. He can be ok if you put the time to master him but it’s so hard to get to that point and the reward is still not that great. So why bother? There are easier options so that you can get an equal or sometimes greater output.

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This is a wild take given that Genji is the most played DPS and Echo is the 2nd least played DPS. Feels like a lot of Genji players have some kind of persecution complex at this point.

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Well I’m definitely not a Genji player by any means, yet. I want to be, but I feel like I’m just not giving my team very much value. Whereas on Echo, it’s like crazy how much I’ve brought with so few hours on her.

Both play similar to Doom, as they are both ability dive heroes, Genji especially so, but I feel like Genji just doesn’t contribute enough, lol.

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Just out of curiosity, why don’t you embrace Echo? I feel like they’re practically unicorns, so if you’re succeeding with her then you’ll be all the more impressive.

Yeah I am willing to. I do enjoy her a lot. Especially her Ult. It is so fun. I just figured Genji would work better for me since his kit is so similar to Doom’s.

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hard disagree out side ult echos is easier then genji in her escape not giving her a long hitbox killing you a better finisher as well a better como tool
shes just better genji just less popular

If I act like an anti mercy hater towards genji players

“Uhm Aktually he has 53% win rate 8%pickrate in gm on overbuff. He is obviously broken and OP :nerd_face:

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its popularity and thats all echos just not poular

god how did you nail them so perfectly and they on top overbuff lol its so bad to use as a pure argument

Overbuff isnt even internally consistent. Deadass symm s winrate on the dps list and in her character page are off by 2%last time I checked.

Clown site

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Exactly yet people try to use it for litteraly everything its wild to me