Echo’s damage really needs to get toned down. 17.5k healing on Lucio on Lijiang Tower because of her. That’s pretty close to the most I’ve ever healed on Lucio (19k). Even had a Sigma that game. Her beam has very little counter play. Once someone is half health, it just deletes them before you can even blink. Her sticky bombs are also super easy to hit since everyone is fighting close quarters
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Actually, her beam has a lot of counterplay.
You need to remember that its a very high risk move to use it at all - if the target ISN’T under 50% health, you’re basically doing almost no damage at all - which means ANYTHING that shifts the target’s health up in an instant immediately screws the Echo up.
Bionade, Zarya bubble are the best methods, but just about anything that burst heals at all can save a target.
Its not easy, but it IS perfectly doable.
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I think the nades need some type of nerf. Maybe make them curve down the farther they travel? Or maybe even nerf the impact damage a bit more.
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The heck are you talking about? Her beam is a 0 risk move. It kills anything under 50% health so fast you can’t even get the animation for nade or bubble off.
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How is it high risk with a 20m range
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It’s high risk because if the target isn’t at 50% or less, it puts you squarely in range for any semi decent hitscan to blow you out of the sky, and you’re basically doing nothing to them when compared (Mccree can easily two shoot you during that time, and you’re stuck dealing 50 DPS.)
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bruh a half decent echo will always only engage to use beam if they have 50% HP and shred them 0 risk
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You know this game are about shooting stuff and most of the time heroes are being or getting damaged all the time so its not far fetch to target someone and have their health at 50%, besides echo herself can pew pew her target to get them to 50% then boom! there goes your lazor of death that reaches 20m!
The condition is even easier to meet than symmetry lvl 3 gun that deal less dmg for 12 m yet so many people cried for nerf when she was meta.
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Unless, for example, the target gets a bubble, or some kind of burst heal ability - and you’re suddenly no longer dealing with a 50% health target - you’re now dealing with a 75% health target, and dealing 50 DPS to them - which an Ana or a Moira (or even a Mercy) can heal through with ease.
sticky bomb exists and its very powerful im sure she’ll have no problem
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Wasn’t talking stickys - they ARE powerful, but not excessively so compared to other abilities in the game.
A basic Hanzo arrow or Widow shot to the skull can 1-shot most characters, and neither are on a cooldown.
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they do require skill tho a sticky nade does not and we all know it sticky nade and beam is an instant kill combo that is almost uncounterable
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Sidestepping the bombs is a pretty strong counter.
Pretty difficult considering you can’t even see them coming most of the time since a) your eyes are on the ground where 99% of the fight is taking place and if you are a healer, where your team is and b) the rest of the visual diarrhea in the game covers them up
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Not going to lie, it is hard to keep track of the visuals in this game. But that sound queue is so loud I pretty much sidestep them on reaction. I actually killed myself because I heard them fire, but I walked right into where they landed. Rofl.
It’s not high risk at all, rein charge is high risk cause you can’t cancel it. You can cancel Echo’s beam which makes her able to defend herself again, fly away, or just kill you with her stickies. Most of the time you miss a beam nobody’s going to be able to hit you cause of your mobility.
It is VERY easy because of her mobility. I get more kills and survive with echo’s beam (which is 20 meters) more than I do with trying to get Symmetra’s beam up to lvl 3…
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20m range and cancellable at will…
Nah, 0 risk. Reduce the range and ability to cancel and we can talk!
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I think that weapons of Echo are pretty balanced. It’s the ult that is probably too good at the moment and makes you have to “kill” Echo 3 times. Bring her down from 200, Echo ults and gets free heal, kill that, another free heal and flight. Like come on, why?
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The impact damage is only 5…
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Zarya’s bubbles counter everything and everyone
No it aint, a good Echo player isn’t gonna let her “weaknesses” get to her, her hit is overblown with 3 ways to do damage, it’s overblown and she can reset her health bar if she has ult. Hell her kit is even more blown than Genji’s.
Her main gun doesn’t have damage scale (Similar to Doomfist at first) and two other abilities that are pure RAW damage, on top of that her mobility is incredible.