I know the title is a little click bait-y, but it’s sorta true. I was just playing hollywood, and the enemy echo copied my Juno. He managed to get ult, but the second she tried casting it, her duplication ended. I thought it was kinda weird, but didn’t think much of it.
Later it happened to me, I copied Juno and, I had the exact same issue, because of how Juno’s gun works, you can’t build her ult quick enough. By the time you get the ult and try casting it, your duplication is already over, so you get zero value from it.
I tried doing it on training camp, and even despite the quicker ult charge, it’s still super difficult, and the beam doesn’t last for more than 2.5 seconds.
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Honestly, my biggest issue with Echo’s ult is that her ult charge doesn’t adjust depending on the duplicated hero nor is there consistency for how long an ult lasts.
Support ults in general are very difficult to reach healing doesn’t charge as much as damaging and their base damage is generally lower, and even if you do land ult, they don’t last like they should. Bob and Minefield last a few seconds after duplication ends, but Lucio and Brigitte’s overheal gets nuked.
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So it’s not like a “bug” to the hero design, she’s just not a target worth duplicating? I missed the Juno test weekend so I don’t have much to go off of for what she’s like in game
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Echo has been one of the strongest heroes in the game for a while now. I hear the problem, but I won’t lose sleep if echo is a little weaker because of it
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Duping supports is usually pretty niche as echo. Like if your whole team was low and you duped and got torpedos onto all of them and built your ult fast that way it’d probably be a good play
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Like Widow, not every hero is good to copy.
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Yeah but Juno’s ult has a lot of value, and if not for this oversight, she would be a great hero to copy
Echo is just a poorly designed hero. Even smite’s The Morrigan is far better designed, lmao.
The irony of this is that I recently discovered the Echo-Juno Meta. When Juno uses her Ult, if you are Echo and your Ult is ready, you should use it right then. Be in the Orbital Ray and your Echo Duplicate Ult will charge up very fast, then you will have enough time to use it in the match.
It works very well!
However, I have not tried this after Duplicating an enemy Juno. Next on my list 
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wait, I have terrible reading comprehension, so let me see if I got this right… if an enemy juno uses orbital strike, and you copy her, you get the buffs from HER strike??? Is that it?
Close.
If your friendly Juno uses Orbital Ray, jump inside the Ray as Echo and then Duplicate the enemies Juno. Fight as Juno inside the friendly Orbital Ray, that way you will have enough time to charge up Juno’s Ult (as Echo) to create another friendly Orbital Ray. Theoretically at least.
Echo ult is just a self-heal. If you manage to do something useful with a skill of another hero it’s a free bonus.