but dont worry guys she is fine she is one of the strongest tank and ready for ow2
we gonna have a lot of fun playing JQ vs JQ all day
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Are we talking about OWL here? D.Va had the highest pick rates of all tanks and I believe even the highest pick rate of all heroes across OWL existence so I think you might just have to wait to see how things pan out.
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The stats from beta 2
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You might be talking about previous seasons but that is 100% not the case this year. The only times she sees play is on Ilios Lighthouse sometimes, and Shock use her on eichenwalde for some reason.
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https://i.imgur.com/8fs2HSa.png
state of dva rn
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I agree, she’s fine.
I (don’t) like how they presented us with all that impressive-looking data and write-up, but only showed us the first week of pick rates. Kinda makes everything else a moot point (even win rates and death rates become rather meaningless, despite knowing that the data shown was for unmirrored matchups.)
For D.Va in particular, it looked like they tried so hard to sell her as being ok.
Like we were supposed to draw the following fallacious conclusions about her:
- "Look guys! D.Va is the number one hero in winrate difference between console and PC!" (I imagine it probably means they're afraid to toy with her because the current data indicates she's the hardest to balance between two platforms)
- "She's one of the top on dealing elims!" (so what? She's got big spammy guns and missiles that are bound to tag just about everything around her, despite her often putting out meaningless amounts of damage on the majority of those "eliminated" targets---who were most definitely usually killed by the majority of damage inflicted by her teammates---yet usually ends up credited to her "elims" stat anyway.)
- "She takes the least damage!" (And yet she is so easy to punish by playing around her generous DM downtimes, not to mention being able to completely bypass her means of self defense with the so many beam heroes in the game. Oh and getting her out of mech and purposely ignoring her is still a thing---easy to avoid adding up damage absorbed if no one wants to shoot you while in a worthless state out of mech!)
- "She deals average damage!" (lol)
- "Her DEATHS are average!" (LOL!)
- "Look at that large spread of win rate data among the entire cast of heroes! (40%-58%) D.Va (~44%) doesn't really stick out as being particularly abnormal at all!" (/facepalm)
Wow, those statistics sure make her sound like she’s in a such a healthy state and all good to go with no glaring problems whatsoever. I can see whoever wrote this up as handwaving their concern for her off completely while writing up their excitement about the performance of Junker Queen and Sojourn, who very clearly were extremely OP and therefore very easy and welcoming for all the players trying these two heroes out, which was very obvious by how overwhelmingly popular they were in that first week of pick rate data that was shared with us.
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What annoys me is that Zarya has a 15m range while D.Va’s is only 10m. Zarya can do 75 damage per second (at 0% charge) 170 damage per second (at 100% charge). The average energy of a Zarya is 40% (68 dps). But good Zaryas are typically high energy when a team fight is taking place. Since there is downtime (pre fight, walking back from spawn, etc) included in this average, it is not an accurate representation for Zarya’s average energy when she is actively dealing damage. Let’s say that she has 65% energy during a team fight. She will deal 110 dps. But even that isn’t entirely accurate because Zarya’s charge is always fluctuating. But, D.Va can do 6.6 - 22 dps with just her fusion cannons (I think. The wiki was not the most clear). With micro missiles included (77 dps with 100% accuracy) that’s 83.6 - 99 dps. So, the point is Zarya is likely dealing more dps than D.Va.
It’s also important to note how weapon accuracy plays into damage. The average accuracy for D.Va is 25% while Zarya’s is 41%, so you can figure out who is typically dealing more dps. D.Va has to aim projectile and hitscan at the same time. This ability is also on an 8 second cooldown. Without it, she has mediocre dps. D.Va also has a movement penalty while shooting.
Hog also does more dps at a longer falloff. He does 49.5 - 165 damage per shot at 1.18 shots a second. So, he does 58.41 - 194.7 dps with a min falloff of 15m. He averages 29% accuracy. Hog also has an 8 second burst cooldown of his own that has a 20m range and can be used to one shot combo. So he has better raw damage with a better burst combo on cooldown.
It’s not that D.Va’s dps is weak on its own, but when compared to some other tanks, it feels weak. She deals less damage in exchange for a shorter fall off distance, which isn’t fair. Without her 8 second cooldown, D.Vas dps in mediocre in comparison to hog and Zarya who are both allowed longer fall off.
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I just question why we’re putting any value on data that is from all ranks. Since when do we use silver players as a reference for balance?
Obviously heroes who have typically performed better in higher tiers will look as though they’re underperforming. The opposite is also true for heros who have typically not done well in high ranks.
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While I do think D.va is on the weaker end of the tank lineup(as the stats show in the winrate), I don’t think she’s far off from being in a good spot.
Also there’s 4 beam heroes in the game and only one of them is a significant threat to D.va(being Zarya) and Symmetra can give trouble but is also Symmetra. If you’re dying to Winston and Moira a lot as D.va, you’re doing something wrong. If you’re dying a lot to Zarya and Symmetra, then that’s a sign you should switch.
Hog’s spread is way worse than anyone else’s, I don’t think the amount of falloff damage he has is too meaningful in any capacity, being it making him stronger or weaker. Not a good thing to be concerned about.
I’m not sure what they can do about Dva.
I just kinda don’t enjoy her in OW2 because the fun in playing her was being this omnipresent disruptive force, sometimes in the enemy’s face then back peeling for backline etc.
Now that you’re the only tank however all of the attention is on you all the time so you can’t really… do that anymore.
I suppose Ball has the same problem in this format but Ball is way harder to pin down and kill than Dva is. Maybe that is the issue? She’s just not tanky enough?
Maybe give her longer flight time and disable critbox while in flight but that kind of change really starts to feel like you’re just making another Ball.
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That’s true. There are a lot of different factors with these weapons so making comparisons is hard 
But, D.Va also has a spread. And wouldn’t weapon accuracy account for the shots missed due to the spread? If this is the case, then hog still does more damage than D.Va. And the damage numbers I included are with 100% weapon accuracy. Unless you’re talking about damage specifically at maximum range. In that case, I just simply don’t have the stats for that. 
But even if 15m is bad at range for hitting enemies, it doesn’t mean it’s without its benefits. Hog can spam at shields pre fight and do some nasty shield break.
But when playing as and against these tanks, you can feel the difference in damage and how it influences their effectiveness of completing their hero specific role.
Has the second leasts deaths of tanks and winrates for tanks are like they are in ow1 but sure.
B-b-but content creator say D.Va S-tier! Content creator… LIE? 
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Where are the dps mains who always said win rate matters if a hero is negative winrate they need to be buffed crowd.
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because there is no comp it might be harder to separate the data between ranks. but when a hero has as low a winrate as dva does I think it’s clear they need buffs
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They’re probably hesitant to buff her because of how oppressive she’s been for almost 6 years of Overwatch so far. She’d easily become the one viable tank above Masters, which is basically the last thing you’d want with there only being one tank and all.
I’m no balance expert, but I just can’t see how D.Va’s kit will work as a solo tank without making her completely broken and overpowered.
I also don’t see very many people being happy with an Orisa level rework to her either, which may be what she needs
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I find it difficult to believe that Blizzard don’t have data that takes OW1 ranks into account. Blizzard do also have OW2 beta “ranking” and they even showed us that at the end of beta 1 in emails that they sent out. Blizzard know. Them not using it is concerning.