Your team wants to run zarya rein … So… What are you going to do?
Well you can’t not have a dva… So… now you need another healer or some sort of cc hero like Mei…
The problem with the game is
You can’t not run dva she’s too strong
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I honestly dont see how she is overpowered…
And she is for sure not needed to win a match.
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Dva might be problematic, especially for tournament tier, but she’s mitigating a bigger problem of ultimates being too powerful.
You’d need to do a gamewide Ult nerf, before nerfing Dva.
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This is only a problem at the professional level. Look at Diamond where she’s only the 10th most picked hero. Overall, she’s not even in the top 5 heroes anymore, but Rein and Zarya both are. She’s not mandatory on ladder.
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I think it’s more of a problem that no other hero can contest high ground as well as she can. Plus, almost all of her counters are a bit weak at the moment, save for Zarya. If we buff her counters or introduce another off-tank that fits a niche similar to hers, then pro play may see less D.Va. But she’s really not a problem by herself, or on ladder.
The only time I saw pros running a comp without D.Va, they swapped Mei in instead of D.Va, and they were able to contest the other team that was running GOATS pretty well. It’d be nice seeing more comps like that.
As a whole though, D.Va is only a problem in pro play and that’s because they play the game at a whole different level than we do.
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D.Va gets replaced by Mei succesfully in a GOATS comp named SNOATS.
Also, there is a GOATS comp named DOATS which sees Rein replaced by Winston.
Both being super successful against normal GOATS, this should imply that neither D.Va or Rein are the problem as so many claim.
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Would this be the same way 4 sec DM was the sole enabler of Dive and Micro Missiles enabled the exact same meta in the exact same way* once that failed?
(*Because while DM is LITERALLY THE BEST ABILITY THAT EATS INFINITE DAMAGE LITERALLY EVERY GAME, it apparently isn’t so amazing that a bootleg Helix Rocket isn’t a 1:1 substitute.)
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DVA doesn’t create goats, she counters the heroes that are strong/good against goats(phara, junk…).
She lowers the counterplay to goats.
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Dvais not op, just felxable.
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I’d argue Dva is a big part of GOATs.
And they SNOATs is used to counter GOATs who refuse to switch off GOATs to a normal comp.
Unpopular opinion but I think most tanks are OP and are in many ways are just better dps.
Tanks are ult batteries but dying is literally the worst thing you can do in this game meaning that squishy heroes are a liability. Also most ults are not tank buster ults meaning that tanks are actually punished less by most ults than squishies.
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D.Va is only an issue at the professional level, but she is undoubtedly an issue there.
But then again, so was Tracer, and that resulted in the devs giving us Brig, so I guess we’re in for a rough few months once they get to responding to that. And then we’ll all go back to wishing for D.Va back. Lol.
She definitely isn’t the creator of GOATs, though. An important part of it, sure, but it would still exist without her.
She is definitely overpowered. I would love to see her nerfed so heroes with a similar role can replace her once in a while.
…O wait. There isn’t any.
I think this is one of the problems. The lack of alternative picks. I mean, who can offer what Dva can offer? Her kit is extremely versatile.
And because Dva’s kit is so versatile, does she fit in most, if not all, team comps and metas. She might be the only hero in the game who doesn’t has a niche.
How can you give a hero who’s kit is extremely versatile a niche?
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How is D.Va OP? All you said was that she initiates GOATS, but failed to deliver your reasoning for it.
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I don’t know about you but if I am going to switch of Phara or Junkrat it usually is because I am getting sniped out of the sky or countered by a hit scan more so than any tank could ever hope to do. And sometimes you don’t even need to switch to a counter for long to make the Phara change because she gets that little value in the time you swap one member of Goats to a Phara counter.
It would be nice if we stopped acting like the dps states also dont make goats a thing.
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Dva is not what creates GOATs. Please YouTube what GOATs is.
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Also name a off tank other than Zarya and D.VA. The two candidates are both not ones that everybody would argee with where they fit. Hammond has debate on being a main tank and has unique controls that I think hurts peoples desire to play him and Roadhog I don’t even think there is a consensus on what he is role wise. There is a decent amount of people who would argue he is a dps with tank health.
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I dont think people realize Goats isnt a single hero problem.
They already witch-hunted Brig to death and now are coming after the offtanks.
Its the synergy they have that makes them strong. Exactly like Pharmercy but on a larger scale.
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Yup. Basically a repeat of the Triple Tank meta we had back in S3. And back then, they had to gut Hog and Ana, and leave Ana, Hog, and Soldier in the dust for a year (and even then, people aren’t sure if Hog and Soldier are good enough). Here’s to hoping the heroes in GOATS don’t meet the same fate!
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Synergy is part of it but not the full story either. It is a state of literally everything in the game that makes it a thing. You can kill goats off with out even touching the goats heroes with balance changes. Make it so everything doesn’t melt as bad and dps make a comback once people realize that you can actually play them and get value off of them again. Unlike right now where they don’t have alot of time to get value. More dps is not that useful when you spend alot of time dead.
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