D.Va is a Button Mash Hero

Back when defense matrix was on a 10s cooldown, you could bait it out before using your grav, so you wouldn’t have to eliminate an entire tank with their full team by them just to not have your ult denied.

Back when her explosion damaged herself she couldn’t use the fact that any enemy in LOS of her mech had no option but to find cover to take ground and kill people with a pistol or remech, and she actually had to factor in self damage so as not to die in the process.

Back when the explosion delay on her ult was 4 seconds instead of 3, her placement and timing mattered a lot more since the enemy had time to react. These days if you’re ulting in a relatively open area during a teamfight you’re going to get exactly one or two kills on the heroes that don’t have luck in their favour or a counter, not counting the people that die from being forced to find cover and are killed by her teammates.

Back when Call Mech did 50 damage instead of the actual april fool’s update 500% damage buff, D.Va had one ultimate instead of 1.5, with the extra half being usable on the enemies cowering behind a lamppost just as they’re allowed to start playing the game again.

Back when boosters were on a 5 second cooldown, closer to Winston’s movement ability that also deals damage, D.Va couldn’t just mash shift again right after diving someone for immediate extra damage.

Back when the infinite-magazine fusion cannons couldn’t be fired while boosting, she couldn’t surpass Winston’s already more difficult but rewarding diving by holding left mouse.

Back before she had micro missiles, she had to choose firmly between defending and attacking, unable to attack while boosting or use defense matrix.

After all this iterative buffing to keep her in the meta alongside the power creep heroes, she’s become a hero that can kinda just press all her ability buttons at the same time on a support or hitscan to become nigh invulnerable, deal two abilities worth of damage, and close distance at the same time, while having a health pool and 2nd chance system that allow you to mitigate the consequences of diving someone that survives and de-mechs you.

Post Edit:
It would appear a lot of D.Va players are interpreting this as me calling for D.Va to be nerfed back to the initial release version. I’m not asking for that at all, I’m saying that they took a terrible hero from low tier to way-too-pickable-tier (i.e. no meta heroes that can that make her a bad pick in a match) with all the changes they’ve made since. I’d be happy with DM being on a cooldown again, even if that CD were smaller than the release version.

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“Back in my day we had to trade Pokémon through an extension cord!”

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I love how we ended it with… “back before.”

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Man I thought I had been hacked or sonething. Nice name.

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Also Kids WB, and fox kids.

I disagree, she is a hold M1 hero.
Doomfist is the mash button hero.
rolls face on keyboard
gets kill
“I’m going to make you punch drunk.”

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yawns
Another “aim is everything” type player.

“Aiming is over rated”
Junkrat.

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Never said that and thats a strawman btw.

I said:

Tracer = game sense + positioning + aim
Dva = game sense + positioning

Never said „aImIng iS EvErYtHinG“

I just enlighten the fact that you need MORE skill segments for a Tracer than for a Dva.
(Just example)

And the horrible balance in this game is to pleasure the casuals. Not the competitive players.

Casuals that quit the game quit it because of „nO coNtent“.

Competitive players quit it because the core gameplay isnt good anymore.

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Nah I disagree.
Tracer is like oh I attack the support.
They both have to aim for the chest.
D.Va has more to look out for. Protecting her team.

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You guys always say things like this but the best games are the ones that are for everyone. Elitists never cease to amaze me

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A lot of people will tell you that Dva is a button mash hero but those people are just displaying how much they don’t understand the intricacies of her frame trap system and meaty okizemi options. I mean yes you can just throw out a raw micro missile special but it’s lot better to use it in a booster wall bounce combo.

Button mash heroes aren’t even always guranteed to be good. A lot of people will tell you “Oh doom fist has a DP with invincible startup” and that should be the king of wakeup options right? But the characters he struggles most against are the ones like McCree and Brig who do corner pressure. So what’s with that?

(This post is a joke btw, I’ve never seen anyone complain a character was a button masher outside of fighting games, that’s the reference.)

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So you are trying to tell me that Tracer and Dva have the same skill celling? Okay…

Has nothing to do with elitism.
The problem is that OW wants to be a competitive AND a casual game at the same time when it had to choose for one side.
Thats why it failed.
They tried to design AND balance the game for competitive and casual aspects - and that this can not work was clear like 4 years ago.

I never said that its straight up „bad“ designing a game for anyone.
So you are interpret a lot of stuff wrong just to „mark me“ with the „elethist button“ or whatever is going on in your brain, simply you dont like what Im saying about the game you like. And thats pathetic Im sorry.
We both know that the game is almost dead and if Ow2 wont be good it IS in fact dead.
And all of this because of the decisions blizzard made like I explained.

Tracer and D.Va are both rated 2/3 star difficulty…

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Omg… okay… good bye.

Wow touched a nerve didn’t I. I’m sorry you feel so attacked. What’s pathetic is you’re terrible take. The game has been a success facts are facts it’s made tons of money, it’s a part of pop culture it’s enjoyed by many and even had a esports ( bad or not that’s still a success).
Again I’m not wrong the best games are
the ones that appeal to both and overeat have can appeal to both.

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Devs can’t be wrong eh?
Nothing to see here folks just another DPS main. :stuck_out_tongue:

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lol what

D.Va is the 2nd hardest tank to master mechanically.

The way you do the little “saISDIaIA” thing… makes me wanna punch my own brain out, it’s SO annoying.

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Not even a bit.
I was expecting an answer like this from the OW community.
They never Argument about the state of the game and the mechanics.
They just telling you „i like hero x y“ and thats it.
Casual. <—— as blizzard intended.

THIS is the first correct thing you said.
Yes financial it was a huge win.

No wonder. The characters are very good designed. Blizzard knows how to make things look good. Unfortunately we still have like 0 lore for the well designed heroes after 5 years :joy:

The problem is: ENJOYED.
Today OW has a bigger list of people who quit the game then the people who still play it frequently.

The OWL is artificially raised by blizzard.
A good competitive e sports scene will raise NATURALLY if the game is good and has a frequent playing community.
Owl is just a money machine draining mostly casuals. But you already said its made for money.

Success yes! But not for the playerbase and thats why its still a failure.

Thats why the game is from competitive sides almost dead. Sure.

The devs? You mean the guys that managed to „bAlAnCe“ the game SINCE 5 YEARS and after 5 YEARS they noticed that 6vs6 and tank synergies are not BALANCEBLE and now they make Ow2 5vs5?

You mean those devs? Sure they cant be wrong.

I probably have more hours on support and tank than you.

I have almost 6k hours in OW but that doesnt actually matter. Its not even an argument.
OW community is freaking cringe.
I say I dont like what the game have become LIKE MANY other players that quitted the game and people like you come forward and say: „a tOxIc DpS mAin“.

Huge brain.

Second hardest TANK. Those are a few heroes out of the full cast. And most of the full cast are harder.
And even if you just look at the tanks only you could still argue that Sigma is higher skillbased. But thats probably a personal thing.

But if you talk about mechanical skill in the tank section only you are veeeeeeery low if you look at the full cast (besides ball).

Talking about mechanical skill in the tank section is like saying you need 300 iq to pocket with mercy.
It doesnt make sense.

Yes its because you dont like that I say that your favorite hero in the game you love so much is just an addition for casual support.
And thats absolutely normal - but not logic.

You play Dva and you want to think that you are doing good with Dva.
And Im saying it doesnt matter „doing good“ with a hero made for casuals in a competitive (wannabe) game.

And that the hero is broken at the moment is clear. And again: I am aware that you dont wanna hear that and that you dont like it but it’s unfortunately still the truth about the failed game Ow.

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Ok grandpa let’s get you to bed

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How could anyone argue this. It varies from person to person anyone still playing obviously enjoys the game still. Are the game mechanics and balance perfect ? No are any games? What matters for most people is if the games enjoyable.
Wanna know how you know the games enjoyable? People literally freaked out here when they learned the old client would go away and OW 1 would cease to exist. That alone showed me how many people on just this small forum community still enjoy and play