I feel like something needs to be done to D.Va to stop her over oppressiveness. Some ideas:
Self-destruct is the highest damaging ability in the game. Change her ult to be a gambit ability and not reward her automatically with her Mecha back if she kills someone.
Stop her Mecha from killing nearby heroes when she calls it!
Defense matrix needs to not block almost every attack. With the lack of a melee “damage” hero now it’s harder to break through it.
Make her reload. She should be required downtime like everyone else.
The proposed changes are not all or nothing just some ideas to throw at at wall.
Please get off the forums before you start some hate bandwagon. D.Va is not someone who needs a hate bandwagon by any means. Actually, I think it’s already started because this is the 3rd post from a noob whining about dva this week.
Yep, but then make her guns effective on at least 25 meters range - say, it’s actually a weapon that does a normal shot instead of a wet noodle pellet shot and deals its full damage in one hit, so no shotgun spread, no pellets, no bs.
one of the worst ultimates when it comes to securing elims. For the reference: even a meteor strike (!) is slightly better.
This is an actual bronze take and I don’t mean that to be mean but seriously, Dva is so easy to deal with and yet I see posts like this here and there and can’t help but think that there’s no way these players have been around for more than a couple weeks.
D.va is fine. She’s my go to tank when I get tilted on support but that’s not because she’s oppressive. Her kit is fairly straightforward and her ult is for zoning, unless you use it on the point…or use it in the midst of chaos.
When people hear it, they run. Which is what you want them to do. Also, if I’m being honest, if we made it so mech doesn’t return, pilot should get an ability on E just because it’d be fun.
I’ve never gotten a kill on mech recall before, so to me it doesn’t exist.
I’ll agree mech recall shouldn’t kill. People hate one shots except this very ignorant one. And the hitbox is very stupid, it can easily kill around corners where you didn’t even know she exists (by the way an intelligent d.va abuses this, I have and as funny as it is it shouldn’t be a thing)
If you just so happen to be already on top of her it’s too fast to get off of without mobility. And sure you “shouldn’t be on her” but what’s also true is a d.va who lost the fight and de meched shouldn’t have a close range one shot that negates her respawn timer.
Furthermore… many hero’s are close range. So “stay away from her” is sometimes an unrealistic thing to do, and shouldn’t be a concern considering baby d.va is inherently intended to be squished so she has to respawn. She’s not meant to have any advantages in that state except a comeback mechanic. Or so I thought.
Not that she’s op. She’s not. The one shot of the mech could even just be nerfed to like 125 damage or something.
Hell they recognized the issue with reins hammer too.
Anyway. The fewer one shots the better. Maybe mech recall could knock enemies away harshly.
Dva is easy to play against with the right comp. Zen discord + Zarya and Sym will melt her fast. What Dva thrives against are hitscans that become useless shooting into her matrix.
DVA gets melted by beam weapons and has to dive and commit to deal any meaningful damage. Sym or Mei on your team will tear her to shreds. If you’re tanking, Zarya is also a great pick into her, though anyone who can damage her through her defense matrix will be a solid pick.
If you’re support, be sure to communicate with your fellow support depending on who you are. When she dives (presumably with her team) you will want to keep each other up and possibly pop a CD or two depending on the situation. If you’re someone like Mercy or Lucio, keeping away from her should be pretty easy as your CDs are much lower than her flight and missiles.
If she didnt get her mech back after her ult, it’d make her ult worthless, if anything it’d make you weaker? Her ult is the easiest one in the game to dodge.
If she calls in a mech and squishes you, thats on you dude…
Did you get squished? You got squished didn’t you?
I’ve seen some BS D.va kills. Once got squished by call mech when I was on top of a bridge that D.va was underneath.
I’ve been killed through walls by self destruct (hollywood map was a big offender for that one.) So many places where I must have only had a toenail showing and got vaporised for it.
However. I don’t feel she needs any nerfs to these abilities. Most of them seem to be collision or ping issues.
It’s those issues that make the abilities feel cheap and unfair, not the abilities themselves. If Dva is on the other side of a wall and calls mech, you shouldn’t be hit by it (or any ability for that matter.)
The call mech damage was added to combat tactics where entire teams would trap and refuse to kill a demeched D.va in order to stagger her from her team.
Tank players were getting a raw deal because there wasn’t much they could do to counter it. Even if they got their mech back, they’d be outnumbered and instantly demeched again.
Call mech damage was a way to stop teams infinitely body blocking a baby D.va for a stagger. Of course some players use it to meme, but it does have a purpose outside of ‘lol funny kill.’
Trust me d.Va is fine. Sure she can have a huge impact on a game, like any tank, and a really good d.Va player can hard carry a lobby because mobility is super strong and DM leaves a lot of room for skill expression, but if you find her kit overwhelmingly oppressive trust me it won’t last. Get more practise playing into d.Va and you’ll find she is one of the healthier tanks in the game with respect to balance.
Her dives have a predictable range you can play around to position safely if you have long sight lines, or on closer maps you can juke her around cover until the booster CD is off and then she will struggle to engage. You don’t even have to play a beam hero into her to get around DM. In fact heroes who can crit and who have good damage and range (Torb, Cassidy, Soldier, Baptiste, and Zen for example) can be very strong counters especially if your comp is heavy with them. They can put so much pressure on Defense Matrix that she won’t be able to save it for more meaningful counter-play and will struggle to dive without being burnt down. Mei and Brig are good options as well if you need a strong anti-dive pick in a less pokey comp, or Sym depending on the map.
If you leave her alive long enough to build up an ult, AND you stand too close to her, you should die.
Remech is her selfheal, without it she’s not much of a tank, and without the threat of death from it she could never use it. If you took the damage away, you’d have to make her selfheal usable by giving it defense instead of damage, like hog rebeather she’d need to have damage reduction while remeching. Which people would whine about even more.
So leave the damage as is and accept that if you can’t kill a 150hp hero you should not be in melee range of her or you deserve to die.
Honestly if a DVa manages to squish you with her mech, it’s deserved. It’s generally pretty easy to tell around about when she’s going to have her call mech, and if you’re up close to her and not killing her very quickly, well…
I honestly think dva is one of the weaker tanks right now tbh. People always telling me to switch, and they stop whining when I switch to JUNKERQUEEN. That’s how little of a threat she is, that people prefer I play JQ. My JQ winrate is higher than my dva winrate, and my dva playtime is 2000 hours+ while I have a few hundred on JQ.