Genjis and Winstons of the forums. What is your opinion?
(Good reasons only.)
Primal
Winston’s jump distance is harder to master then a straight line Dash.
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Primal. i play both Winston and Genji and primal is hard as heck to get value
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imo getting value out of both is extremely hard and i would say both are equivalently are of same skill level. but if I had to choose I would say winston’s ult; not because he is more skillfull in fact I think his ult is easier to understand and its remarkably easy to perform but that doesnt mean its easy to get value out of it.
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It’s interesting because from initially I thought that winston was much harder since Genji blade has a huge hitbox and only needs 1-2 slash to actually kill someone where as winston needs much more and his jumps are much harder to do. However primal is much more forgiving, like miss a jump or punch then in 2 seconds you can try again but mess up a dash on Genji and the whole blade is wasted.
Personally, I’d say blade. But that’s probably because Genji is easily my worst hero and pressing Q usually just means there’s a good chance I’m about to die, while pressing Q as Winston means I’m about to beat at least one person to death in a corner.
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Winston Main, so i’m biased. But i’d say Winston, since you have to time things with your punches to get efficient juggling going on.
Plus, the fact that Winston ult can be used in lots of different ways puts a challenge on the decision making side of things. In good hands, you can use it as a killing tool, but you can also displace, disrupt, or just pop it to survive after going deep.
Very close but I’d give the edge to Genji.
Half the duration with less margin of error. Winston will always get 5 jumps in Primal but getting 5 dashes in one blade is nearly impossible.
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I don’t think you can really compare the two as their functions can be widely different depending on the Winston user.
Dragonblade is very cut & dry, use it and kill the enemy.
Whereas Primal Rage is more of, “Do I want to set the enemy team up for a coordinated assault with my CC”, “Am I stalling the point?”, “Do I want to go for eliminations?”
I’d say you could potentially get a lot more value from Primal Rage than you could Dragonblade, but Dragonblade could potentially be more consistent at maximizing its value as it only has one job.
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I play Winston and not Genji so maybe my opinion doesn’t apply
But blade is more skill
Primal is free kills on maps with edges near the point, especially Nepal: Sanctum (my favorite Winston map) but it can also displace anything you want pretty much and allow you to cap an objective by playing “keep away” even if you aren’t getting kills
Blade has no CC, and therefore REQUIRES kills to have an impact. Yeah there’s nano blade, but you’re also vulnerable; and if you use reflect you lose a chunk of your ult duration to it.
Yeah jump distance is a bit of a skill curve but you get it so much that I don’t think it compares to the precision it takes to make blade work.
Consensus: Dragonblade takes more precision skill, and can easily have a higher impact with kills. Primal Rage is more about denying people access to an objective or getting environmental kills
Both require skill, and different kinds of skill, and thus their effectiveness is up to debate; but if you’re capable of using both properly Genji’s ult is harder to get IMMENSE value out of than Winston’s
Trying to be as unbiased as possible
Both of them require different kind of skills.
Genji’s requires very quick thinking because it only lasts 6 seconds.
Winston’s requires you to be good at using his jump pack or you won’t be getting any kills.
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I’d say Winston’s takes more skill to reliably get value out of it, but Genji’s is much more dangerous to pull off successfully
Winston’s is harder, but Genji’s is less reliable
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I think both are fine ultimates, but Primal is WAY harder to use. You need good techniques applied multiple times to kill anyone. You’re a HUGE target. You’re trying to leverage knockback.
Genji needs to know where everyone is and track threats.
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i’d say winston is harder to get value out of but has more room for error on his ult, as genji likely dies with 1 mistake during ult.
Blade because I am way better at Primal with like a tenth of the time.
Now mastery? That is primal. Easy.
I think a better question is which takes less skill. Dragonblade gives a free dash on startup and per kill, and primal gives tons of health and countless jumps.
Primal Rage since you need to time an attack and a jump perfectly (with the booped opponent) to get a decent combo as a finisher. Otherwise, if you use Rage for area clearance or a delay (body blocking with boop) then Genji due to aim.
They’re both different in terms of skill.
Winston’s is difficult in terms of knowing the physics of how far you move your targets so you can effectively juggle them. Also mastering the trajectory of your jump is pretty high skill cap.
Genji’s is difficult because it’s really mechanically intensive. Because it only lasts 6 seconds, you often need to have your dashes pre-planned by having a mental note of where your targets are, and you often need to be able to flick dash to them quickly.
I don’t think it’s fair to compare the two. They both require a lot of skill.