Doomfist complaint

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I’m writing this 90% solely with the hope that Blizzard game masters will read it, so if there’s some doomfist mains/fans who get offended by it, please don’t be. I’m not trying to be controversial, I just want the game masters to read it and at least consider what i think.

Doomfist already in my opinion is way to OP right now, and I think the current state of the meta and the game confirms it. Even as I noted in an earlier thread I posted, an OWL Lucio main pro (I completely forget who it was) was just talking about the meta on his stream, and he said he thinks right now Doomfist is the only DPS you can main to the top 500. Literally the ONLY DPS that is possible for ANYONE to main climb the ladder that high.

I’m not here to say that Blizzard should completely get rid of Doomfist or nerf him completely, or something really selfish like that. Like pretty much every single other OW player in the world probably does, I have a ton of complaints about the design of the game, and I’ve never demanded for Blizzard to change it to exactly the way I want it to be. As I say in game a lot when people complain, that’s the way the game is, and if you really are gonna complain that much about it, then just play a different game.

But one thing I just don’t understand the logic behind is Meteor Strike, and that’s the entire point of my post. Obviously, it’s not even close to the most game changing ult in the game, but honestly, it’s the most unfair one. And this is the reason why:

If you’re any type of non-mobile hero in this game, there is literally no way you’re going to escape meteor strike if a Doomfist knows where you are, and is any bit competent at all. Every single other ult in the game, at least there is a way to avoid dying from it that I can think of. Even the really stupid ults like Death Blossom, there is at least a small chance you can escape if you react quickly enough. You can sleep a Death Blossom. You can snipe a Death Blossom. You can flashbang a Death Blossom. You can shield a Death Blossom. You can duck around a corner from a Death Blossom.

If you’re a non-mobile hero, and the heroes i’m going to use in this example are Ana and Zen because they apply the best here, there is literally no way to escape Meteor Strike unless you have trans. And I know that for a fact bc I’ve been spending the last month trying to find ways to do it.

Even if you see it coming, and you manage to hop to the very outside of his red circle thingy, I’ve still died with full health. Even if you could survive that somehow, you’re definitely 1, and if the Doomfist doesn’t suck, you’re dead right afterward anyway. I’ve tried timing my nades and darts in close quarters to meteor strike, and they dont even register until his ult is completely over, which means by the time you’re already dead. I’ve thrown nades right when he hits the ground, and then I watch kill cam, and the nade hits me and everyone around me, but the Doomfist emerges from it with full health. Darts only work after Meteor Strike from distance for me. If I’m the target of the strike, and I try to dart him right before I die from the ult when he lands, it doesn’t ever register. I’ve landed darts consistently from long-range when I’m NOT the target of the ult right when he lands, like a lot of Ana’s do, but that’s not the point of the post.

The only time I’ve escaped from a Doomfist ult that was aimed for me when I was Ana or Zen, and I didn’t have trans was when a staircase just happened to be nearby. Because of course Blizzard made the ult stupid, in terms of being logical, so that Doomfist falls from the sky but somehow magically passes right through ceilings, so just hiding in a building doesn’t work either. Actually, when I first started playing this game 3 years ago, and I was first learning how it worked, the first few times an opposing Doomfist used Meteor Strike, that’s exactly what happened. I ran for cover under a ceiling and thought I was completely safe from it, and he came flying through and 1-shotted me. And I was just confused, like how did I die? I was under a roof. I finally learned how it worked after like the third time that happened, and I’ve thought that was stupid from then until now.

Anyway, like I said the only time I avoided it, he Meteor Striked through a ceiling, but because there happened to be a staircase in the building, I hopped up to the ascending staircase next to me, and it mitigated the impact of his blast. I still lost like almost all my health, but I wasn’t COMPLETELY screwed. Of course he still ended up killing me pretty easily anyway, bc there’s very little way to defend yourself as an Ana against a Doomfist in a small enclosed space, but at least I technically survived his ULT.

Meteor Strike is the only ult in the game where when I hear the animation, and I’m Ana or Zen or some other non-mobile hero, and I feel like I’m the target, then I’m just like, “ok I’m dead”. Resistance is futile, if you will. I don’t understand why they would have an ult like that when no other ult is like that. Yeah technically Zarya could bubble you I guess, if you’re Zen then Ana can Nano you? Idk… What other possible way is there to not die against it? Does anyone else have a solution that I don’t know of?

Doomfist already is pretty OP to me, but at least nerf his Meteor Strike a little so it’s not a guaranteed death for an Ana or Zen, and I’ll be ok with everything else about him.

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So nerf his ult because of ana and zen ?
Right … ok

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Why are you blaming Doomfist for those 2 heroes not having movement abilities? Both of those heroes are screwed when up against almost any ult.

Not that much people even play Doomfist so I don’t see this as blaring issue.

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Looks like another Doomfist complaint that completely misses the mark.
Just remove his stun. Thats all you need to make him balanced enough. After that he doesn’t need any form of balancing other than bug fixes.

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Have you not seen their Comp play times yet? The answer is the first hero.

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actually… yes. Were there as much support choices as there are dps, it would not be necessary. As it is, he hard counters 1/3 of the support roster.

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The ult is useless/suicide against people with a movement ability and shields, aka most heroes.

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lol… people really dont seem to think reading peoples’ posts carefully is important…

I used Zen and Ana as EXAMPLES bc they fit most perfectly. And how can you just brush them aside as “bc of these 2 heroes you’re complaining?”. Out of an entire comp, they are often the most important player in the entire comp. If a Doomfist can just take one of them out with no effort just by using Meteor Strike in a key situation, that’s not just a “whatever” kind of thing…

Yeah the majority of heroes are mobile, but a GOOD number of heroes are non-mobile. And if you’ve ever played against a good Doomfist, in every single game he’ll use his ult against the easy target. That means not just Ana and Zen, but if there’s a McCree, Brig, Mercy, or a Widow, they’re pretty much screwed too. Try using McCree’s roll to get out alive and see how often you’re successful. And like I said, even if you get out, you’re gonna be 1 at best, and if the Doomfist can’t finish you off easily from there, then he shouldn’t be playing Doomfist to begin with.

With widow, you can grapple away for sure, but it’s not easy. You have to be pretty perfect with it. Even if you start grappling away, and you think you did it way ahead of time, you’ll usually still die. At best you get to the outer edge of the circle, and since Widow is already one of the frailest players in the game, she dies pretty easy. This entire summary is true for Mercy too in her own way.

I was gonna include Junkrat, but if his mine isn’t on cooldown, it’s not too hard to get away. If it is on cooldown, then he’s definitely screwed too.

Yeah… the ult is useless/suicide against people with movement ability. That’s why only a retarded Doomfist would use it against those heroes. There’s 6 heroes in a comp. If the Doomfist doesn’t suck, there’s usually an easy target for him to take out easily.

Also, there’s a hell of a lot of mobile heroes in the game, yes, but there’s only 5 supports in the entire game too (I personally don’t count Brig as support) just like Endeavor said. That means 2 of the 5 supports in the game are basically automatic kills against a meteor strike (when zen doesn’t have trans). Mercy already is barely used in the meta anymore. So that basically leaves Lucio and Moira who can elude it.

I think it’s a pretty big deal, even if Zen and Ana are just two heroes, that Doomfist can just take them out guaranteed with a meteor strike whenever he wants. I think all of us know how vital supports are to any team fight. Every dps’s goal is to try to take them out first, obviously. If it’s that easy for Doomfist to do, then it’s really not a big deal?

Forgive me if I insulted you in any way though lol. Just sharing an opinion if that’s ok with you.

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@God - wait I just saw what you said… not that many people play doomfist anyway? i’m sorry are you serious? what games are you watching/playing? he’s a huge part of the current meta from what i’m seeing. He was used significantly in the OWC, and ironically, much of the reason was so he could combo with dive with other heroes against Zen and Ana (much like so many teams were doing to Jjonak).

I must have missed the memo… since when is Doomfist not even played much to begin with? You must be talking about 2017 Overwatch… yes he was barely played in the past, but he is definitely being played significantly now, from my understanding.

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Did you just say brig is screwed lmao, her shield blocks meteor strike, nice try.

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Literally outside of those two heroes doomfists ultimate basically gets reduced to being an escape card.

It’s offensive capabilities against the majority of the cast are beyond subpar.

Dont get the weong idea though- i dislike how effective it is against those two and purely those two. I wish it was different to some degree so that it was overall more useful againsy most heroes, without beong a desth sentence for those two.

Assuming they have no tanks present, that is.

Because if they do even those two can laugh at meteor strike.

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Doomfist is a flanker.

Flankers kills supports.

Ana and Zen are supports.

Doomfist is a flanker.

Working as intented.

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well, they are going to cancel his jump canceling
I think this is the solution for him
like what they did for Genji

i think that the problem solved

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I read through your post, but the only thing I’m going to comment on is that when you look at the T500 lists in comp, you see that Doomfist is definitely not the only DPS that can be played to get there/stay there.

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@airwalker - the only thing i’ll say about that is it’s not me who said it. It was an overwatch pro lucio streamer. And i dont think he was being literal, he was being more theoretical. I could find the YouTube link if you want, but I really don’t think it’s necessary. I said from the start I’m not asking Blizzard to nerf Doomfist completely. I’m not making claims that Doomfist mains are complete garbage or trying to be toxic about it at all. And yeah since that’s your only comment, I’ll just leave this as my only comment too. Appreciate your feedback though.

@Cubic - I never attempted to insult any Doomfist fans here. It’s only typical of this generation of gamers that you’re gonna get pissed off and toxic and make everything personal over a simple opinion stated that doesn’t agree with you. I don’t know how much more unoffensively I could have stated my opinion in the original post… and you’re gonna take the one small detail you think is completely wrong and mock me with it. ok super, sounds very constructive.

Brig’s shield can block meteor strike, yes. Does that me she survives it 100% of the time? How about you play brig, and I’ll play doomfist, and i’ll use meteor strike against you, and let’s see how often you survive.

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@sidewaysgts - I couldn’t have said it more perfectly. in fact i should have said it that way in my original post. that’s exactly the point i was trying to make. Just find a way to fix that, and I’m completely good. Thanks for the response.

Edit 2: thank u Blizzard people for listening :+1: