In the last dev blog the devs showed their hand about caving to the Doomers with 6v6.
What the devs are soon gonna find out is that these people are gonna complain about the state of the game no matter how 6v6 is implemented unless it means tossing literally everything they worked on the last few years in the dumpster including all the new maps and going back to the exact same state the game was in on some October patch way back in 2020 that lasted two weeks.
Even then they will still probably rub the devās noses in it for having to scrap all this work. You canāt expect people who have put a negative spin on every single addition or change to the game for years to suddenly turn around and start giving positive feedback.
You cannot please extremists who have unreasonable demands and expectations.
They hate f2p for example and donāt like the entire business model expecting some kind of Overwatch Classic spinoff with a one time charge when Concord just showed that kind of model is not viable anymore.
Most of these 6v6ers are also really hardcore players fueled by nostalgia wanting hypercompetitive top down only balancing. These are players who are simultaneously addicted and bored of the game not realizing their lack of enjoyment is burn out and not any of the ābalanceā they rage constantly about.
When you run a game only catering to these players the 20k hour ubersweats what you get is Quake Champions with 200 concurrent players online.
They do not understand and will not ever understand that you canāt just balance a game based on 500 people at the very top. Millions of people boot up this game to have fun and donāt care how competitively ābalancedā the game is for the elites at the top of the ladder.
So anything going on that deviates from the purity of October 2020 Overwatch 1 is just gonna trigger even more rage that you are ruining their precious 6v6 just to make 5v5 look good or whatever tin foil hat conspiracy they can come up with so you arenāt gonna get any high fives or praise for putting it into the game.
6v6ers do not want any compromise at all with people who enjoy 5v5. Iāve even gotten flamed for just suggesting that if the game goes 6v6 keeping that tank passive in the game which takes away the incentive to use tanks as ult batteries would be nice to have.
Good luck devs trying to keep things fresh for new players in a live service game while bending over backwards to keep the nostalgia train running nonstop for people who hate and will hate everything you change from Oct 2020 onward.
I donāt think the devs are listening to the ādoomersā because they want to.
Itās just that they donāt know how to balance whichever version of the game they have in place.
Their product is lackluster from a design and balance PoV, which leads to the daily experience of the average gamer being underwhelming and/or frustrating.
And guess what? Underwhelmed and frustrated gamers will either quit the game or start a riot, inspired the words of their āmaster doomersā, aka the influencers.
At that point, the game company will start to compromise in order to maintain peace and harmony, because happiness = money.
So itās really not about 5v5 or 6v6. Itās all about the devs being clueless on how to design a game that has far fewer pain points than selling points.
Season 1-3 of OW 2 they had a product that was fast paced and fun.
Dive was a viable strategy in normie ranks and you didnāt have to have at least 3 guys with over 5k hours of practice on dive heroes dropping MLG callouts to make it work.
The average Joe could get on Genji, Tracer, DVA, Winston, Lucio, Doomfist, etc and make that work.
Then the ledge camping Ashe mains and Mercy one-tricks started crying about getting clapped by a Genji.
So what do they do?
Nerf the dive characters into the ground just like in OW 1.
Then just OW 1 support buffs go brrrr combined with Illari slapping a heal turret on the wall and Lifeweaver yanking people around in immortality bubbles.
Even to this day Illari has a 55-56% win rate at most ranks and sheās even oppressive at high ranks too.
The tank hp changes I thought I liked at first and now I realize it was just a trojan horse making the game more gigasustain than it already is.
The problem OW has is the campers. These people who want the slowest gameplay loop possible where you stand in front of a chokepoint all day.
Everytime they get a gameplay loop where people are moving around having fun, ya know, kind of like Marvel Rivals where they just slapped Spiderman from a ps2 disc into the game these folks become the fun police and cry until the devs slow it down to a crawl.
Thatās why I say they all should just go to Deadlock where camping a lane using cheese builds is literally what the whole game is designed around.
Itās my first experience playing a moba (Iām not including the hots games I threw years ago to get Oni Genji and Officer Dva) and Iām really enjoying it! The heroes feel really well designed with cohesive kits, thereās so much skill expression through ability combos and the mobility options you have, aesthetically it gives me TF2 nostalgia and I love the item system because it enables you to create all kinds of different builds to fit different playstyles for each hero.
have we just considered that concord is a bad game?
and now I dont want 6v6 back or ow classic back, I think this is by FAR, the dumbest descision the devs have made for this game. I cant wait for everyone to realize that 6v6 isnt gonna be any more balanced than 5v5, unless you delete the whole of ow2 and just bring back ow1.
It should attract enough people who like that turtle slow 5 minutes per life stand there shooting at a lane for 35 minutes gameplay loop and keep them away from games I enjoy like this game and Marvel Rivals where the moment any mobile characters are good or the maps have any flow at all the fun police have to get called in .
They are only testing 6v6 because the tests will coincide with the release of marvel rivals.
You are right though. People complaining will find something to complain about no matter. And if they move over the MR, theyāll just complain about that too.
I hope by chance the devs pay attention to this thread cause I want them to realize the can of worms they just opened bringing the camp vs camp gamemode back.
You will never satisfy these people unless you:
Delete 5v5 entirely and tell people like me who like the mode to go pound sand.
Put the game on the October 2020 patch. If you put it on the November 2020 patch or any other patch they will get mad. If you change anything with that gamestate they will get mad so you might as well delete all the new characters and new maps put in since then.
End live service support for the game and make all cosmetics free while also keeping the game free cause they paid for it back in 2016. How you are going to make money with this business model ? I donāt think the doomers have put any thought into this or care tbh.
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? I donāt think the doomers have put any thought into this or care tbh.