i understand the dislike for doom due to his glass cannon playstyle and kit, but the amount of games i lose because i wont swap is crazy. teammates just quit trying at all instead of playing with or around me more. doom can turn the game around pretty quickly and i have a positive winrate when teammates play entire games…just try to play full games guys, sorry im going to keep playing the only hero i enjoy at the moment.
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this take is quite a controversial one imo, I’m sitting on the fence personally. But some people will think its throwing, unintentional or not. Some will agree with you, some will say its a game about adapting and countering the enemy, which usually includes swapping hero’s to enable/compliment a different playstyle.
My take is doom should have never been moved to the tank role especially in 5v5.
Doom players are notorious for not swapping since they enjoy the hero for his gameplay and fun more so than winning, this was fine when he was a dps as he didn’t have as much impact as he has now.
1 dps pick will never compare to the solo tank pick.
He should have stayed on dps.
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Nope. But you explained it perfectly.
I’m trying this. It’s not working
Hope my team picks up the slack instead of me
Playing the one role that can turn the tide of any fight. Just for staying alive.
And you can’t (always)do that on Doom
He’s easy to counter
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I second every single word.
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Why do you think you’re justified in not swapping yet they aren’t justified in not playing around and carrying you?
This is one of the reasons I’m against the leaver penalties in QP. You are and should be free to play the hero you enjoy yet people should also be free to leave games where people like you may be performing poorly and continuously throwing the entire time (it’s throwing whether you intend to or not).
People want to argue that leavers waste other people’s time but people like you waste people’s time as well and not swapping is common.
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ngl not sure where OP mentioned that. All they wanted was for people to not throw from the start of the game just for his hero pick and to instead play with/around him.
Doom is probably the only tank other than Orisa and Zarya that you can play consistently in this abhorrent meta, although most players don’t have enough playtime to get baseline value out of him.
Because he said he’s not switching. That is literally pushing more stress on the rest of your team.
I can’t stress how much it sucks not having a tank because the Doom is trying to play like Sombra. But he’s louder and not invisible.
And let it be known, I enjoy playing Mercy. I babysit Doom players quite often
Not even half of them are “that guy”
He wants to play Doom as much as someone wants to play Mercy even if it isn’t working. Seems like everyone wants to ask the tank to swap but won’t bother the same for the other roles.
Hot take, it’s just different to playing without a frontline tank, but it’s not harder. PvP games are about adapting your playstyle to how both your team and the enemy is playing, no?
No one is “that guy” outside of GM. And if you’re not mid-Masters and up, your hero pick is never the only limiting factor to winning.
Tanks are a big piece of the problem right now though. In that, if your tank doesn’t swap to counter their tank (or whatever is the biggest problem for the rest of the team is) then your shot at winning is noticably smaller. Hence the
And he’s playing one of the easier tanks to stop. And just like Hampster, he needs all his momentum.
we tend to give up immediately when we see something we don’t like. I think we’d rather lose than try and play around you and help enable you.
Tank players are already crying that they can’t play any enjoyable heroes and you still want to force them to not play what they enjoy, that definitely will do good. Unless the tank is AFK in the backline or going 2-10 in the first 5 minutes, tank matchup doesn’t matter as much in this meta anymore. You can always DPS diff and especially Support diff. Personally most of my games are make or break on the Supports.
Okay if the enemy is counter picking your tank why not counter pick the enemy? Your tank is not only making the enemy focus them hard in the fight, but also making multiple people play his counter instead of yours, giving you more freedom to pick and play whatever, no?
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Because sometimes it isn’t Doomfist’s fault. Sometimes the answer actually is playing to cater to your Doomfist (or any tank the player picks) instead of him swapping.
It’s not a matter of what’s “justified”, but what the actual solution is, and the solution isn’t always for him to swap.
only thing i gotta say is mercy mains dont swap and get no flack 
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I wish more people understood this. Every hero in this game is fine, as long as your play to their strengths and avoid their weaknesses. And that includes playing around your team’s picks as much as the enemy’s
I’m well aware. And I don’t disagree with them. I’m just not 100% of that side. Especially not the Doom flavored ones.
No. I mean, I’ll pick Brig when we have a Hog or Doom. (and hope she says the shield interaction) But there’s not buckets you can do when the enemy DPS is smart enough to realize your Doom is mostly for show.
And hoping you’re in the rolling side of the roll isn’t exactly fun and engaging.
I got flamed hard by a Mercy-Lucio duo because I was playing Doom and it wasn’t going that well.
I said "I’d highly appreciate if any of you swapped to Ana or Kiri but I’m not going to ask because you guys can play whatever you want”.
They reported me. Just another day in the office for Doom enjoyers. It’s fine.
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It is a matter of what OP thinks is justified because they said this:
So let’s not act like OP is considering when or when it isn’t their fault and when they should swap. They flat out admit they don’t care and will continue to play DF yet they complain about other people not just playing around them.
OP thinks they are the main character, they aren’t going to swap but complain about people not swapping for them. It’s delusional and let’s not pretend it isn’t or that “sometimes the solution isn’t for him to swap” because it is made clear in the original post that he will continue to play the character no matter the circumstance so bringing circumstances like those into the conversation is irrelevant and pointless.