because they are usually specialists
a gold or plat ana would never use a nade spot but its not uncommon for a plat doom to do a rollout or a genji to have insane fast blades
Tbf those dooms would probably feed when doing rollouts, unless if the enemy team has no peel
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yea but my point is genji and doom heroes understand their heroes more then other mains most of the time
maybe bastion sym 2 but I haven’t seen enough gameplay
I would put mercy here but I think thats only high ranks most basic mercy mains don’t use techs besides super jump
maybe their decision making or game sense are holding them back but I wouldn’t be surprised if a doom was using pretty complex rollouts and was a plat player
These heroes are only fun in low ranks because generally people dont know how to counter them properly and they excel well at punishing mistakes, bad positioning, and misplays by the enemy team. Thats why you generally see those two heroes get played a lot in low ranks since no one knows how to effectively deal with them as opposed to diamond+ players. Platinum is hit and miss.
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pretty much
It’s the same reason we can’t really buff these heroes, because if they’re strong in high ranks then they’re demolishing low ranks.
if that were true wouldn’t they be dominating?
There is a difference between stuff like learning rollouts or nade spots and dynamic responses to the game.
Gold Doom may know his rollouts as well as a diamond doom, but will he have the mechanical skill or game sense diamond doom has, god no. The stuff you can memorize and practice easily out of game is nothing compared with knowing when to use that stuff and think for yourself.
Best example here is Genji can practice his ghost dashes all he wants, but executing them in game, against organic targets, actively fighting back when you haven’t just spend 10 mins specifically practicing and warming up your ghost dashes. Yeah that’s a totally different ball game.
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It’s true but I genuinely despise this way of thinking/balancing
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So make them stronger at higher ranks and worse at lower ones. Powershift doom away from his punch and powershift genji away from blade.
I mean but they still know their hero much more then other mains
I’m not sure how else you could balance
No one would play the game if you balance the way.
Pretty much.
But the problem is deeper than that, espeically for doomfist.
Doom is kinda like a modern day sym 2.0, people can’t aim at her enough to hit her so they’re able to easily burn you down but you can’t really hit them back
Doom is basically always gonna be good in low ranks for the same reason pharah in good in low ranks
I find genji to be “strong” in low ranks because of the carry potential of nanoblade. Any decent genji that knows the fundamentals of nanoblade while having inadequate opponents will give genji so much value. Ive been suggesting on the forums to give it a harsher ult charge for less carry potential into that and have low ranks have more counterplay to it. So that alone makes the genji player focus more on base kit rather than ult kit just to try and win fights. Ive seen low rank genjis feed a lot and they get stuck at where theyre at. Add nanoblade into that while the opponents dont know what to do and look, nanoblade can “carry” them out of ranks. Discourage more of that gameplan where low rank genjis try to use that to get out of their ranks, encourage more base kit plays with an improved base kit so that higher ranks will have use for him. And the low ranks will suffer from it.
this argument completely falls apart when hitscans have been consistently the most picked heroes in all ranks
this isn’t about domination its about what heroes people complain about
projectile has always been more hated then hitscan, people would rather play against those
That would solve basically nothing IMO
He still has the same carry potential from blade, he just gets it like… maybe 30% slower. It just doesn’t change enough.
Zarya has a teamfight winning ult no matter if it takes her a minute to charge or five minutes, it still wins fights the same way.
Dude could you like, quote the part of my post you’re talking about because I have NO idea what you’re referring to
That’s not a reason not to buff them. Low rank players should just learn how to play.
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I would argue they don’t. Like learning specific combinations of buttons yeah but the overall impression of their hero no.
Lets take maybe the opposite example here, Mercy. She doesn’t really have much in the say of a roll out or knowing a boop angle besides how to super jump. However what makes for a good mercy is positioning, general game sense, calling and other intangibles.
Now that gold Mercy won’t have anything on a masters Mercy, but I suspect will be better at these intangibles than a gold Doom, and actually has more skills in common with the higher player, their just worse at the skills.
In fact here’s a question, imagine your a Masters player and you have to pick one gold to be on your team, would you really pick a high mechanical skill hero like Doom or Genji? I’d 100% go for the intangible skill guys like Mercy, Junk or Rein. They’d have a way better chance of holding their own at the higher ranks imo.
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If the 15% ult charge nerf in the exp card for genji has made a huge difference with genjis who try to solely rely on ult to carry, I’m pretty sure it solved a lot more than you think. Personally i liked where blizzard was going. If they so happen to give him 29 shurikens for a harsher ult charge nerf, that would be perfect. That 15% alone gave someone like supports a lot more time to counter and lower its effectiveness. Let alone the ult economy within the genji’s team with his ana for instance? Ana would get her ult a lot faster and usually would pick other targets to nano rather than to wait for the genji. It did discourage nanoblade strats more than usual.
I don’t buy that legitimately equally skilled doom/genji players can dominate at low rank. Half of that is smurfs, the other half, merely perceptions.
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mccree is doing both
ashe did the same
also this is a completely invalid reason to not buff underperforming heroes, its just something people throw out to say, I struggle with the hero at my rank so they shouldn’t buff that hero
also it makes little sense that someone at that rank is dominating because of the hero, if they were why would they be at the rank in the first place
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