Mercy… Isn’t the only other support
The focus on her makes literally no sense.
The Ana v mercy narrative is something that I’ve long become uninterested in
Mercy… Isn’t the only other support
The focus on her makes literally no sense.
The Ana v mercy narrative is something that I’ve long become uninterested in
I could do 12 shots, but I doubt that will be the only change she gets.
It makes even less sense when you consider they enable entirely different team comps. They honestly shouldn’t be competing with one another in the same types of meta’s. If they do, something is incredibly wrong.
That’s because Mercy is the one losing niches, other supports get their comps where Ana doesn’t shine, Mercy does not.
Moira shows up plenty in deathbally comps, Zen Brig in dive, Lucio is everywhere, Bap in double shield and bunker-like setups, while Mercy lost her niche thanks to 2-2-2, Ana overbuffed and Mercy overnerfed.
Preaching to the choir.
It’s like, why are you mad, that Ana…works well with tanks?
And this narrative exists for no other support.
You don’t see Baptiste complaints that zen can do much more dmg
Or Lucio complaints that brig has armor
It’s just Ana v mercy. Always has been. And it’s long past its welcome.
Mercy v ana has been a thing since Ana even came on scene.
Everything can apply in the op to literally any support.
And they single out mercy.
Mercy mercy mercy
You have Baptiste, Zen, literally any support not Lucio
But we just…Ana v mercy.
It’s dumb and unneeded
Ana didn’t steal Mercy’s niche.
Mercy has also been reworked.
And the people in her reworked niche- still not Ana.
It’s dumb. And totally undermines what I consider valid criticism
If you don’t consider imbalance valid criticism to balance then there’s nothing we can talk about in the subject.
A specific bias that totally doesn’t look at the context of those issues does undermine an argument.
“Don’t listen to someone just because they are in a position of power!”
“Think for yourself! Research! Investigate! Look for logical flaws!”
“Because this is how the government keeps you from deciding your own life!”
“Take back your life! DONT WEAR A MASK IN PUBLIC BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT SAYS SO and they want to TAKE AWAY FREEDOM!”
…i was with you until the end. Now you’re dismissed 
What in the fork are you talking about?
I’m using an example of how valid criticism is totally undermined by bias and selfish ideas that consider literally no one else besides them
Yeah still doesn’t apply to the situation.
Have a good day. I’m getting nothing out of this.
It does. But fine. I got nothing from the op
Ana’s Nade is in fact a glaring issue.
Ana dishes out a lot of healing if you can hit your shots.
Ana can completely deny enemy healing for 4 seconds.
That means that unless we get a new healer who sustains their team without using healing… Ana hard counters anyone who could potentially replace her. That means that if she is playable and you might need her… she is a must pick.
Her anti nade desperately needs to be slashed to -50%.
Except there is balance, just not the kind of balance you and other’s like you want there to be.
The meta comp for the last year+ has been tank heavy death ball and bunker comps. Of course the healers that work best for them will be played the most. Subsequently it has lead to those healers getting nerfed. Those healers are burst healers. Moira and Bap. Ana competes with these healers because her healing is also applied in burst and synergises incredibly well with tanks. Ana was considered trash for the most part until those heroes got nerfed. Pro’s wouldn’t even touch her through out goats, bunker, or double shield. Now that others have been nerfed, the next best burst healer will naturally be the go to.
What you and others want is a hero like Mercy to compete with those other healers. Mercy, who is by far the best sustained healer in the game with incredible mobility and survivability. Who synergises incredibly well with DPS heroes and Mobile tanks, which have been out of the meta for quite some time now due to their own weakness’ in the games more recent history.
In a sense, it makes sense, you want this main healer to compete with those main healers. What you’re ignoring is this main healer enables entirely different play styles that no other main healer can. The solution which you and many like you want is to either nerf everything else until your favorite can be ran effectively in death ball and bunker comps, which completely renders burst healers useless then as you’ve got this sustained healer that is much more consistent at pumping out similar numbers without the limitations that are directly built into the kits of burst healers. Resource, reload, ammo, accuracy, los, ect. Or, Buff the best sustained healer to also be good at comps they shouldn’t be great in to begin with.
What you need to remember is Overwatch was built off of a rock/paper/scissors model. The entire reason you can switch heroes to begin with mid match is so you’re able to switch to something that can deal with the enemy easier. Not every hero is going to be fitted for the same type of playstyles, nor should they. A hero that works in every situation, is by all accounts broken to the games design. And yes, that includes balance as well.
Exact same nade as it’s been since season 4 btw. Being both completely trash tier and top tier with it, exemplifying the fact nade alone doesn’t make her a must pick.
But zero in between.
Ana has literally always been unpickable OR a 100% must pick. And Anti Nade is the reason for that. If she is useful and useable, you CANNOT swap her out for anyone else.
That’s my point. That’s not healthy.
Except you know, the times you could and did in both bunker and double shield, because bap and moira enable the same type of team comp, and were better suited for it. Funny enough those were Orisa meta’s. Now Rein’s meta and those other two took some pretty heavy nerfs. Who do you think is going to be the next popular pick?
Untrue. Ana GOATS was staple of the comp, even more so after the Sombra variation rose to prominence. She was also picked by 3 DPS counter GOATS and Orisa comps before Sigma.
Ana was only not picked in double shield, every other comp since 1.27 she is meta.
We want Mercy to have a space and optimal comp she works best with, which right now - and since patch 1.27 - she does not because other healers outvalue her to the point she can’t compete outside of Phamercy pockets.
Y’all keep quoting Mercy’s wikia tips as if that made an impact in practicality. It does not. OWL played mobile tanks and Mercy was still the least picked support by considerable margin.
Actually I want those burst healers to not be good in sustained healing, which they shouldn’t anyway. Consistency healing has been buffed, buffed and buffed, you can’t expect Mercy’s consistency to be worth a damn when every healer offers it in spades, thus why the Ana ammo nerf makes sense. You reduce her consistency but keep her potential HP/s before the reload.
Where is the Mercy space in this rock/paper/scissor model? We can keep saying “it’s not her meta” but when those actually don’t happen in practice we must realize there is no such meta.
And nor do I want Mercy meta, let Ana rule, but the discrepancy is just too large to ignore,. We have to literally ban every other comp for Mercy to see play because she does not offer value to compete. The fact is Ana was played even in 3 DPS comps, with spread out DPS and mobile tanks, for she offers that much value.
Right, during double shield she was unpickable because there were 2 shields, mini DM, and Immortality getting in the way of her getting value out of her Anti nade, so she was garbage.
That doesn’t break my argument.
It wasn’t. In fact Ana goats quickly died for Zen goats.
https://i.imgur.com/JIvYemq.png
Except you know, being interchangeable with Bap with only 9 minutes of playtime between the two. While Mercy and Moira both saw a good amount of play at the same time.
https://i.imgur.com/FLajbgO.png
You ever stop to wonder who hasn’t been meta that entire time, that’s not mercy? You know, like Winston, by far the most mobile main tank who synergises with mercy, who gets shredded by Mei, Reaper and Cree.
What did you expect, Widow was banned that week so there was no chance at widow dive. Phara dive was near unplayable with Ashe being available to take her out if needed, making the play not even worth it. But Tracer was a must pick that week. You know what works great with and against Tracer? Brig armor.
So 2 of the most popular forms of dive are unplayable, the two that Mercy enables the best.
Well you can check the healing averages for yourself.
https://i.imgur.com/2vJ9EdU.png
They’re not. In fact, they’re pretty on par in their favorable meta. Which begs the question, how much would Mercy actually heal in a meta that favors her, when she’s already pumping out similar averages per game?
Ok. Lets put this to bed real quick:
https://i.imgur.com/ieJ3RgA.png
Mercy has still seen more play than any other single main healer to date over the entire life span of Overwatch League. To say she doesn’t have her place is incredibly disingenuous considering when mercy’s place is meta, literally nothing else can be played effectively in those types of team comps that she enables.
Guaranteed, if you tone down the power creep in certain dps, you’ll see mercy come back. Winston gets shredded right now, so og dive is completely out of the question, you need brig armor just to sustain long enough to live through a dive. The game is already filled with one shots as well making damage boost a little redundant to run.
Step away from worrying about Mercy for a second because the biggest problem with Mercy, isn’t mercy. It’s the heroes she synergises with and how bad they are these days.
It, literally does though. You’ve got all these counters to Ana, by your own admittance. That make Ana completely useless. To the point she can barley get any value and is better to switch to something else. And you’re ignoring all of those, because nade gets value in a meta that favors it.
It literally doesn’t.
My point is that Anti Nade forces every other main healer out of the meta IF Ana is usable in whatever the meta happens to be. She wasn’t usable in Double Shield so Moira was actually meta for a while for the first time since her release.
Ok, then why does the top 6 most played this meta have 3 main healers, and not just Ana?
https://i.imgur.com/ql3KwCZ.png
In fact that’s pretty much the trend up until masters. And it isn’t until GM where Ana finally beats out one of those other two in win rate. less than 1% of the player base.
Maybe Ana’s the most played because Moira and Bap got nerfed into the ground, and mercy isn’t a burst healer while we’re still in deathball and bunker type metas. While Every tank is in a horrible spot. Orisa being nerfed into the ground and Winston being way to hard countered leaving Rein being the least horrible option to run. The tank that synergises the best with Ana and has since triple tank.
And to top it off, While Ana is the meta. Near every elo is doing better as other main healers when they are played.
Edit: Well. Except Bap. He really got hit the hardest.