I just have one question for you. HOw do you explain someone with an account in gold winning at least at a 50/50 rate if not climbing and not only winning but generally winning more easily in gold than in silver?
That is me right now. and I am NOT getting carried
I donât try to explain every single individuals experience because anecdotal evidence is just that.
I am gonna say that Silver and Gold are basically the same cess pool of players because itâs where noobies go.
If I could make a change, in season 2 everyone would have started in bronze and worked their way up. But too late for that now.
Just check Kaawumbaâs post here. Tells you everything you need to know.
Tl:dr - There is no conspiracy!
Sorry for the delay in response, but forums lock me from posting within 10-15 minutes between responses on this post for some reason.
Iâm aware I need to improve. Iâm not saying I donât. And despite what people assume, I have made effort to do so. Iâve expanded my hero pool but I am severely handicapped with my crap aim. I still try to put in practice to improve that by playing more and tweaking sensitivities and reticles. Itâs hard because I donât have the instincts most in this game do, but I am actively trying to do it, always. I would expand upon this, but the Ds on the forums always false report my posts for it.
Overused and unoriginal.
Please donât assume I havenât already done that before posting on here. Iâm not a bad or terrible player. I may not be at a certain skill floor, but donât assume everyone not in x,y,z rank is trash. Thanks.
Yes, I have improved so much since I started but Iâm not delusional. Iâm not asking to be or not be a certain rank. My desire to have similarly skilled people on my team is just and more than reasonable and how the game really should be played. People 300+ SR lower than me are not similarly skilled. If they were, SR would be gained/lossed to easily cover that gap, which is currently not the case.
Maybe the MM actually works for you. Or youâre in a placements queue with more varied SR ranges, where several tiers may combine for them?
Because the system doesnât really work? Or isnât consistent? I placed far lower this time than I ever was in any season (but Iâve already gotten to my âusualâ) even though my personal performance and stats in the games were the best theyâve been (and often more than teamâs). What kind of consistency is that?
Because 11 seasons is quite a long time to improve? Iâm sure I would have improved, too, over that long.
Okay, bro. Yeah, this is definitely all about me and has nothing to do with the others experiencing really poor MM because my situation is totally and completely isolated. Totally where I was going with this.
Same. But I know it wasnât all my fault. I do my damnedest to win every game and make up for others who donât. But when youâre going against people of yours or better skill-level, it can only get you so far when you have dead weight on your team. This in no way means the entire team is useless, but units within it. And, Lawd, if I donât contemplate the SR penalty of dodging when I see a group queueâŠ
How did that go? Did it help you to realize I said âratesâ and not âranksâ? 
I would but I donât really understand exactly what youâre asking. Can you clarify, please? Could it be because Gold has better team/game mindset than Silver? Meaning the players are more similarly skilled than SR might reflect in a different rank. That would be my venture of an explanation.
Okay, but slippery slope that that is, itâs the same thing people have been accusing me of: not good enough evidence. And we all know how Blizzard contradicts itself with the tidbits they drop or state and then is otherwise observed in game. 
Iâm not sure there will ever be definitive proof for or against - no matter where you look - because the fuzzy math behind it will never be released. No game will.
And I - as most people are wont to do - will refer and put more trust into personal experience rather than othersâ. Yes, othersâ can help you get a better and bigger picture, but it may not always be to a definitive end.
The difference of a few 100sr is almost meaningless outside of âYaaa Iâm a _______!â vs âBooooo I fell to _____!!â
The reason a person can do ok +1 tier higher but canât win -1 tier lower is that they are at a plateau in their game play.
Decent enough to not be total liability at a slightly higher SR game but still need to find a way to have more impact at a lower SR. Plus a lot of this comes down to just inconsistent game play. The lower a players SR the less consistent the player game to game, along with everyone else at the same SR. So thatâs why games have these huge swings that seem like everyone is trash or everyone is a smurf.
personally I think anyone under the 50% break point of around I think itâs 2350SR can break out of that range by just working on core nerdy FPS fundamentals. Stay near cover, only use ULTs in key fight and use it before the other team to win a fight. Thatâs all it takes and they are out of gold.
And yet so accurate.
Kaawumba takes the time to methodically and scientifically break down and explain the system. Using actual Blizzard statements and his own in depth analysis. Something most canât do or wonât spend the time to do. Not a 30 game sample like you provided. I donât think you read the entire post, but whatever.
I really donât know where to go with you anymore. You seem dead set on blaming something other than just you. I think itâs time you accept the facts. Failing to maintain a 50% win rate in low bronze for three seasons is a YOU problem, not a matchmaker or a teammate problem.
Low bronze is a complete dumpster fire as far as ranked goes. Itâs filled with the worst of the worst players, throwers, trolls, dial-up internet users, kids who still wear diapers, and every other toxic resemblance of a competive player. Do you know what more than 90% of the player base have been able to do though? Climb out of it or avoid it all together!
I wish you the best of luck, but honestly if you canât accept reality, maybe this game isnât for you. Complaining on the forums and refuting any logic people have provided certainly wonât gain you any SR. So get online, watch some VODs, play and use the LFG feature and pull your self out of bronze! Or just uninstall. I donât care anymore. ![:man_shrugging:t2:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/man_shrugging/2.png?v=5" ":man_shrugging:t2:")
I guarantee I could boost your account to gold in a day, not that I would because itâs against the ToS
Iâve gone 6-4 for 9 seasons in a row, and not once have I felt that the system is rigged. Just that placements absolutely suck and I hate them with a passion.
On the bright side, this season I finally broke that record⊠and went 3-7. Fun times.
I donât want others to gift me anything. I have no problem earning my place. I like the achievement of reaching a goal. I donât want to be in Gold, I donât belong there. I just want consistent Comp gameplay which I believe would be solved by matching with similarly skilled players and that is something the current system does not do. Iâm fairly certain that this downfall is where most of peopleâs frustration with Comp lies. Iâm sure the LFG helps a lot with that and maybe I should put more time into that attack on Comp. But honestly Iâm a little afraid because of the increased difficulty stacks bring and Iâm probably thinking of how the system used to be as opposed to how it supposedly now is. Guess Iâll just see. ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d74zh8edaijub.cloudfront.net/en/overwatch/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=5" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
You only state what everyone already knows. The Comp system isnât rigged, placement matches are just pointless. Once you are placed you will always be placed within 100-200 +/- SR of where you ended. You can win all 10 or lose all 10, it doesnât matter.
Iâve played all 11 seasons and this is just fact. The ranks that exists currently began in Season 2. I was placed Platinum 2800. I made it to Diamond at the end. Season 3, I placed near 2850 and made it to Masterâs. I placed 3300 Season 4 and made it to 3660. Ever since, I have always been placed in Masterâs or 50 points below it. I have never exceeded 3660.
The system isnât rigged. If you never climb, you arenât âstuckâ. You are where you should be, and thatâs okay. The competitive mode is meant to place you against people of similar level. It is not a âladderâ that you level up. 98% of players will never see GM. 80% wonât ever see Master. 60% wonât see diamond. 50% wonât see platinum, etc.
Itâs the way things are. There isnât some conspiracy that you are forced to lose games. What purpose does that serve for Blizzard?
You and literally every single other person playing this game feels undervalued and blames it on their team mates.
so you played ONE game pretty much threw on rein and still won. Congrats you wont win all games down there just doing that I can assure you.
In low silver I also pretty much on hog missed all my shots intentionally and we still won. Doesnât mean all games down there can be won drunk stoned and doing absolutely nothing. You just had teammates that actually knew what they were doing ârelatively speakingâ
I see it all the time. I break my back some games with really key picks like mercy and we still cant win team fights. And sometimes you can pretty much throw intentionally and still win cause your other 5 teammates arent bots.
You have no âsolid proofâ. I almost always used to go 8-2, 7-3, these past two seasons I went Bout 2-8 and this season I went 5-5, play better, play during the off season, warm up, communicate, lead your team.
Either way, doesnât change the fact that if youâre good youâll climb. Like I said, 3 accounts from Gold to Diamond, itâs not hard.
Also, âthrewâ on Rein, LOL I still had gold elims and damage at the end of the game, my âthrowingâ carried the game.
Such hostility just because I stated that youâre bad at this game. Iâm really not trying to be mean or condescendingâŠbut, you know itâs something like 90% of players that have a higher rank than you, right? If you find that comment to be condescending, well, Iâm sorry.
Yes, I paraphrased rather than quoting you. Sorry again, let me revise.
To say this is ridiculous.
There. Is that better?
My first season was season 8, I placed ~1740, but dropped to bronze pretty quick. With a low around 1250 but spent most of my time between 1300-1500. Season 9 I placed bronze aroubd 1300,I broke Silver once but dropped out, finished high bronze. Placed around 1350 in season 10, dropped to below 1300 again, got tired of being in Bronze, so I literally stopped messing around, started watching more VODs, some my own, watched improvement videos, listened to advice from others, adjusted my settings in game (my sens was absurdly high). And I literally skyrocketed out of Bronze, and into high Silver. My high was about 2173, I placed this season at 1920, made it back up into Gold but I feel I have reached a skill plateau and now need to work harder to improve again. Like, Iâve never been big into FPS games but I love this one, and if I can âgit gudâ anyone can.
I started out Gold season 3, dropped all the way to 1532 during season 4 (it was in one day⊠Started at like 2040) and grinded it out, playing more helps, Iâve been grinding and I reached a plateau at around 26-2700 getting up to high plat sometimes. I would watch some vids on how to play heros, and always sorta âimprovedâ but I didnât do much differently win/loss wise. I was out performing people my SR, gaining about 25-30 SR a win, and losing about 20-22 a loss. I knew my actual gameplay had improved, and I was better, but was I really? Stats donât win the game. Team work does, at least in higher elo. Towards the end of last season I changed quite a bit. I focused more on working with my team, calling out who to dive on, making sure we held W, making sure we backed out when needed due to a lost fight. I ended up getting to diamond by the end of last season, fell out, and then Solo qued from 2690. It wasnât my mechanical skill that got me out, it was my team work. Iâve never actually been in bronze, well, truly. I skimmed it for a few hours, but from what I can tell down there, is to focus on mechanical skill, and trying to make sure your team doesnât go in. If you really do feel stuck, start 6 stacking. Work on your aim (mouse settings are SUPER important), and get some team work going. Try shot calling (itâs harder lower, though in a 6 stack it should work out). Get people who are willing to work together, and more importantly relax, mistakes happen, donât blame someone for making them, they happen a lot, even up in diamond.
I donât bother remembering result from yday games, not to mention placements from this season. And you bothered to remember or save placements from 3 season ? Naisu
this is correct. iâve run dozens of tests, the smurf detection system basically rates you at a higher MMR due to your performance, so even though youâre still in 2100, it knows that youâre playing the character youâre on at way above gold level, so it rates you as a 2300, meaning that to have balanced teams they fill your team with worse, lower MMR players. If you manage to win, it confirms to the system you belong at a much higher rank, your MMR is adjusted upwards again, and you take increased SR gains for the win. Yay for 40 point SR gains.
Anyway this isnât really that relevant unless you totally outclass your opponents in games. your MMR doesnât jump as much for winning if your performance isnât exceptional. So your mmr goes up maybe 30-50, and they then give you a team where the players on your team are lower MMR to make up for your higher rating.