Do any of you know if account at lvl 25 and during the placement is actualy having mmr? I know its practicaly win/loss based placement. First placement game start rougly at 2350 but does it actualy mean your mmr is 2350? I am asking this because i am curious if someone who just finished lvl 25 can queue with someone who is low bronze, lets say 1000 sr. That would be 1250 sr difference vs 2350 as starting placement point. Does anyone have experience with this? Is MMR apliad already at your first game and adjust during the placement as every loss/ win is Âą120 sr or is it just added on top of 2350 giving you result and form your MMR after placement 10?
In my experience, new accounts are matched with other new accounts during placements. When I placed my new acc all other accs were around level 25-50. And even more so - first 20-30 games were with new accs only.
What I mean is - how could they create a match, where one player has mmr of 2350 and other 1000? This would contradict to the whole idea of fair match, so god forbid no!!
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I think it adjusts it as you finish each game
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Yeah i get that but if mmr is actualy formed after placement it should be possible. I would like to hear from someone who tried this.
As i said initial placement is win/loss based so they dont even need to have MMR on acc in that time. They could simply add or remove 120 sr to your starting 2350 and form mmr after 10games based on how you performed.
I would like to know too, but the way MMR and matchmaking really works in this game is a secret more closely guarded than the Coca-Cola formula for some reason
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Of course it is formed only after placements. Before and during placements you are unable to queue for a regular match, only placement match. After that you SR, MMR and are matched according to MMR. This is exaclty why it is impossible to match 2350 acc with 1000 acc.
Or you have some actual situtation in mind?
So its impossible to duo with someone who is 1000 sr bronze while i have new acc in placement? And what is exactly regular match because you can be randomly place in game where all others are already placed in your team and you are not. Isnt that regular match too?
This is a valid argument.
To hell with it, this is one of the most obscure systems Iâve ever seen!
Most likely there is always a MMR starting at 2350SR or what ever the mean is.
With each match it adjusts, being allowed to take bigger leaps at the beginning.
I assume they either try to fit your stats on the hero you played during each match into a rank bracket based on the data available for each rank or they simply allow more âmovementâ for your MMR with heavy emphasis on PBSR.
Anyway, you could test it by playing a role you have basically no exp in which should allow you to group up with a lower ranked player at some point during your placements.
They also donât force you to play solo during your first placement matches if Iâm not wrong, in that case having no MMR could be exploited rather easily for boosting purposes.
A new account gets MMR in quickplay. The process of establishing the MMR goes very fast and the MMR is very volatile at the start. If youâre a master player you will be matched against other masters within only a handful of games played.
Once a smurf account reaches level 25 and starts competitive the MMR from quickplay is used as an initial pointer as to what games to get. This has been confirmed by Blizzard. After that the account has a comp MMR and a quickplay MMR separately.
So for a player with a newly created smurf account (who want to get as low as possible SR once calibrated) would want to basically throw all games up to 25 and including the placements whilst also performing very poorly (not heal, not do damage, low accuracy, no objective time, die a lot). And vice versa - a non smurf would want to win and play itâs absolute A game from level 1 all through leveling to 25 and placements.
I have leveled 7 accounts and I have this experience. Depending of what role I have been playing and/or if I have been triharding the quickplay I have been getting varying SR range in my first placement games.
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This is interesting. Do you actualy have link where blizzard said that? Because general consensus is that qp and comp mmr are both strictly separated. I too do have more accounts but i always thought qp is still somehow affecting your placement. I left that opinion after I saw many post where people said it doesnt. And its making sense because your starting point is around 2350 every time. Even dafran started there on new account. If i am thinking of it it was Âą2350 on my account. Only final placement is different sometimes. I was for example placed at 753 when i was experimenting. But it was ages ago, so it maybe worked differently.
Not sure about grouping, but I would think that a 2350 starting point fwould make sense, with a large uncertainty
I think QP MMR and Comp MMR are different so no Comp MMR by 25 until first comp game when youâre started out at 2350. Then my guess would be you rank up or down until youâre no longer an outlier and SR gains/losses are based on Z scores.
You canât be placed in games without an MMR (match-making-rating), so yes, you have one, even on your first competitive game. Itâs value is probably 0 +/- 1, in units of standard-deviations.
Presumably a new player canât group with someone in low bronze, but Iâve never tested.
There is no such quote. Quick play has no effect on competitive. Initial Competitive Skill Rating, Decrypted
The game has its own MMR saystem with new account. If you never finish your comp placements there is a thing called quickplay MMR. Its its own thing and is used to kinda make quickplay balanced. The second you finish comp placements even once your quickplay SR is replaced with your comp SR, which is also then used for quickplay. Quickplay SR has no influence on how you place in comp.
Does anyone know how it all works with roles now being a thing? if I am a diamond tank, but a bronze dps, what if I only play tank on a new account? will I be placed near diamond as dps?
New accounts start at the average MMR thatâs around Gold/Platinum.
MMR is completely wiped to default.
Though hold in mind if your DPS skill is around Bronze it will most likely fall down to there since youâre not an actual Diamond DPS.
Iâm unsure but i think itâs impossible to become diamond straight after placements. SR gain/loss is altered in such a way until you reach the ranking it thinks you belong.
Donât get your hopes up with a new account, even if you place around Platinum after placements it will most likely drop down around Gold or Silver. Maybe even Bronze if you really are a Bronze player.
Your first placements on a level 25 account is based around your quick play mmr.
This is actually false.
QP MMR is completely cut off from Competitive MMR.
Even within the first few matches.
Itâs just based around an average MMR.
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Your QP stats or QP MMR has absolutly no effect on your Competitive MMR. QP and Comp are completely separated. Not a good thing tho as if blizzard should use QP MMR for placing new accounts a lot better.
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