How am I supposed to play the game when reaper counters me?
After 7 years it’s insane, there’s no counterplsy except my shield. Please buff my shield?
just dont fight him lol
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There is a way to fight Reaper. It involves the Winton flying secondary combo. Counterintuitively, I recommend you dive the Reaper with secondary fire+plus punch+dive damage, then shield dance. Then either jump away or chase him as he wraiths away. The other way to play is to always jump away from him immediately and immediate dive a teammate of him that’s far away. This forces him to either walk at you or he has to stand still to use shadowstep which leaves him vulnerable to your teammates.
Admittedly, the 1v1 no shield fight is tough, and if you always gind yourself in a 1v1 with tlno team support you’re either over extending, or your teammates don’t understand how to to support Winton.
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jump away if he is just sitting on the enemy supports he is useless against everyone else and your hanzo will easily pick him and the enemy supports.
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tell your team to focus him
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He does but he actually does not… Use your jump wisely, Reaper can’t choose engagements like you can. You’ll get more value sitting there waiting for his mistake than he will do waiting for yours. Alternatively any Reaper worth their salt is gonna go for your supports before you.
I know not what you wanted to hear but Reaper actually is not a good tank counter right now, yes he has a problematic design trait but power-wise he is not okay. Bastion is a lot, a lotttttttt worse for monkey. Literally uncouterable.
I’m biased like eveyrone else but I say “Winston is the lifeblood of the game” and he is fine, does not need buffs.
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why would they buff his shield? it has 650 hp. reaper needs 6 shots to break it. just shield dance.
Meh not really. Reaper can make Winston life miserable by just peeling for his team. I forced many top 500 Winstons out of monkey by simply denying everything they could do. So what if Winston is faster than me when I know what he wants to target? He is useless from range, he needs to dive. And if there is nothing to dive, you have to swap.
In team vs team scenario it all depends how good your dps are at bursting the Bastion down during the downtime of his sentry form. Because Bastion only counters Winston in Sentry and becomes vulnerable when he is out of it, it becomes a game of baiting Sentry and hard diving him after. Reaper that just plays safe can deny any Winston engagement and he is much harder to dive due to Wraith Form. Both are terrible matchups for Winston don’t get me wrong.
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Use high ground to space him. Reaper can teleport to high ground, but if he does then it will be telegraphed and he will have no way to chase you if you use jump pack.
Engage him when he’s low or doesn’t have Wraith Form. Normally initiating aggression on him is risky, but if you have some kind of cooldown, positional, or numbers advantage then you can catch him off guard.
If all else fails, switch. Reaper is a counter and sometimes you can’t outplay him. It’s important to recognize when you’re beat instead of forcing a matchup out of pride. Don’t overstay your welcome.
Ye pretty much this. Reaper is killable when other people force his Wraith Form out. Then you can actually dive him, put bubble on top of him and make it hard to lifesteal. If he plays around his team and just denies your dives, get off Winston and play other tanks like Sigma. If you insist on dive character then Doom and D.Va are much harder to deal with for Reaper. Doom because his mobility is actually crazy + he can win if he lands good combos. D.Va because she can matrix Reaper dmg and put massive pressure with rockets on top of that.
Winston wins if he avoids Reaper well and engages on him only when at severe cooldown/hp advantage. If Reaper is patient then you can’t do much alone.
A smart reaper player, usually I get reapers to chase me because I keep tabs on where he is so I don’t jump there
But if that doesn’t work shield dancing reaper always pulls out wraith form.
It’s called shield dancing. Pretty important when fighting Reaper. You can 1v1 a reaper if you dance in your bubble properly.
Yeah if it’s possible to dive something else without getting blasted by Reaper by any means you can stay on Winston.
That’s not a great deal for you since Wraith has a lower cooldown + it only forces anything when Reaper is alone. Tiny bit of healing and he will destroy it without taking damage. That’s why I recommend diving him when he is running away already, then this shield dancing kills him. When you just dive full hp Reaper and trade bubble for Wraith it’s a win for Reaper. He can get healed and chase you after.
Fair but I do get ult charge and pull a lot of cd out, it’s not like he can kill me if I run.
When Reaper plays around his team then you don’t force many cds. Let’s say common dive map Dorado with Soldier and supports sitting on top. I will play near the Soldier and act as his bodyguard. Who do you dive? Soldier puts pressure so you need to contest him. But then I step in and force you out in 2 seconds. Then you are sitting duck for 10+s because your bubble is on cooldown. I get healed from your cheap damage and look for the engagement since it’s very unlikely you forced out anything from me. Rinse and repeat until ults come to the play and Reaper can do a ton of dmg to Winston when he is primaling around.
Yes, and his shield is already strong.
I’ve never delved into the realm of Winston; I find him rather feeble as a tank and incredibly susceptible to numerous counters. When I encounter a Winston as a DPS, a chuckle escapes me, thinking, “Well, this one’s surely in the bag.” I wholeheartedly concur that Winston requires a buff to level the playing field.
i usually go d.va till he swaps because he has a dm in his face all game long. once he swaps monkeys out.
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Considering the free damage I get on 3 different targets thanks to cleave, I beg to differ
Not difficult, I dive him over and over and over again with very little downtime.
I jump up and then I walk backwards off the ledge, I jump back up again and repeat.
I do have my own dps and their ults.
I mean if he can catch me.
“No counter play” Meanwhile, Winston has been consistently diving in, killing Supports, and diving out for free for the past 6 seasons because of how useless Reaper is. You can literally just shield dance and survive.
Skill issue