Mei’s freeze is CC, but it isn’t a stun. Initially, it’s a slow. And then it’s a freeze. Just like Junkrat’s trap isn’t a stun, it’s a root.
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that’s hard cc
at least knockback actually lets you control your character
He’s right though. She has a slow and a freeze, not technically a stun.
There is a big problem with the statement: things that annoy players are a problem. That problem is that its been proven that players are happy when they win and annoyed when they lose. Things that cause me to be unable to win, be it at the game or even the smaller victory of killing/healing the person I am trying to are annoying. The only way to remove all annoyances is to buff whatever hero I am on and make me an unkillable god.
Basically if something gets in the way of your winning, people find it annoying. Dark Souls is VERY annoying, but that does not make it bad.
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Define “stun” for me?
Because “technically”, even jeff kaplan is calling it a stun.
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Perhaps we’re not referring to the same patch, but in general it made boops WAY stronger.
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I play some of the heroes nerfed and do not care. I find anything that hinders my ability to win annoying but I do not advoated for nerfing them. I find Syms turrets annoying but am fine with their existence. Annoying !=bad. Not getting to play the game is bad though. Strawmanning is also bad but I will let that slide.
Aside from the animation (i.e. turning blue and stopping in place, versus a pow animation) could you please explain to me how being frozen is functionally different from a stun?
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Losing control of my positioning is also bad but again, you only care about what is bad for you not for me. Knockbacks need to be gutted too if we are really dialing back on cc
Junkrat’s trap isn’t a stun, correct. It’s a root and it stops mobility, but it doesn’t stop you from using other abilities. Zarya’s Graviton Surge is the same, with a few exceptions.
The Freeze of Mei interrupts all abilities. That makes it a stun, makes it hard CC. Yes, it’s a slow at first. But being frozen is a stun, because it’s the interrupt of every ability.
He can call it whatever he wants, there’s a difference. Stuns are applied instantly and freezes are applied by stacking slows and don’t apply instantly.
There’s root, silence, knockback, stun, slow… All are CC. A freeze isn’t a stun, but it has a lot in common with a stun. In some games, your cooldowns won’t refresh while frozen, but will while stunned. I don’t think that is the case in Overwatch though.
Stuns are applied instantly and freezes apply gradually via stacking of slows.
Good. They are the most OP ones. At least you can still fight back enemies during knock backs/ups and slows… contrary to stuns.
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Not the same patch. It seems we had a misundertanding.
Air-Movement came to Januar 2018 and 1.34 is from March 2019.
Yeah, look at Previous Patch how big nerf was. I forget we have buff (man, i didnt play 2019 much)
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Apparently wrecking ball running you over and doublebooping you through the whole map into your death while lucio skating on walls and booping your tanks not named reinhardt into the well several times till somethign sticks is not worth consideration. =p
That patch is the reason I eventually stopped playing tank. I just wish they would give knocbacks a bit of a strength reduction to bring them back more inline with how strong they were before that patch.
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I’m complaining with my mouth full, because I love the dynamics of knockbacks and stuns in overwatch. It’s what makes the game unique and fun for me. I don’t want a purely fps game at all. But I was just intrigued. They said that it would be a big CC reduction patch, and end up just being a small battery of nerfs.
If it were up to me, I wouldn’t change anything. Nerf the time of the CCs will only make them difficult to receive follow up, even the beneficial CCs for combos like Rein’s ultimate that no one complanes about
Interesting.
And where did you obtain this official definition of what a “stun” and “freeze” are?
Id love to read these official sources.
You also can’t apply knockback to frozen targets, but you can to stunned targets.