And yet at the height of the dive meta, Widowmaker was a dominant pick who decided fights, especially in OWL where teams have the most coordinated dives. Why didn’t they just take the forums’ pro advice???
Not to mention, one hero should not dictate the enemy’s entire composition.
Exactly.
Ridiculous that in widowmakers worst possible meta she was still the second most picked DPS in dive meta. Every hero that has even gotten close to widows current stats has been nerfed hard, She better be nerfed soon.
Double shields does a pretty good job at annoying her, forcing her to take more aggressive angles, and making her susceptible to flankers.
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Plus wasn’t genji pushed out of dive by widowmaker?
The one HE’S supposed to counter
Wrecking ball doesn’t change dive very drastically at all. D.va was also stronger then.
I miss watching pros run Pharah. I know that kid from Shanghai Dragons is a great Pharah player but as soon as someone goes Widow, he switches. Such a shame. With Ashe Widow and McCree, Pharah has no chance.
Perfectly fine for 1 good hitscan to completely shut down Pharah while an entire composition that’s supposed to counter Widowmaker still doesn’t do the job 
What rank is she a problem?
I play mid diamond and she’s usually prettt bad.
WB does a hell of a Job at countering Widow. If we had 2-3 more heros that did this reliably she wouldn’t be such a problem.
Of course I shudder to think what a dps that can reliably counter Widow would do to the rest of the roster.
I’m in diamond and plenty of Widows aim well enough that you die any time you enter line of sight.
In a narrow chokepoint laden infantry combat game. The counter to the long range, high burst damage class is a better player on the long range, high burst damage class.
Then why aren’t pros just running hammond every time Widow gets played? 
And again, it shouldn’t take 3-4 hero picks to counter a single enemy’s pick.
If a hero’s only counterplay is itself, it has no counterplay.
Hammonds only one hero and he is a tank. So he is the most reliable hero to take down Widow outside a widow itself.
Widow will forever be unbalanced until there is some real counter play. The ability to out skill her or deny her value “but barriers” is a meh argument since they effect all non-cleave damage heros anyway.
Being able to break her grapple with some damage is something I’d love to see tested. This would make Sombra/Genji and maybe a couple of other dps an actual threat.
It also means you could potentially skill-shot her from moving to her desired perch when she tries to relocate to get a better angle. The second wouldn’t really kill her but would deny her value until she can get back to her preferred perch or forced to play a sightline that is less optimal.
More like only in the league, and maybe grandmaster I dunno
But at Diamond, I can tell you that Widows there can’t deal with a monkey too well
Zen is also susceptible to dive as well, but can be run because they can protect Zen with their own divers. The mobility afford them to be both agressive and defensive at any moment notice.
Entering widow, she commands over vast sight line, allow her team to determine enemy positions and determine with route to dive while denying the enemy sight line to peak and formulate their own dive.
It s more than just fire power, it s the tactical advantage that widow bring to her team so that she can replace Genji in dive.
But why are you calling him a kid lmao?
That would be awesome if double shields wasn’t one of the worst comps in the game.
as widow otp i can only agree, dive counters widow hard.
This is why I get really irritated when I, a D.Va main (with over 200 hours on D.Va, I think it’s around 250 now) who is definitely not a bad D.Va, gets told to simply “go dive Widow” whether it’s on the forums or during a Widow-dominated game. It isn’t that simple. Usually when I attempt a dive on Widow, she’s shooting at my massive mech face thanks to the DM’s low up-time and high cooldown, or the enemy team has already jumped me mid-flight. But it’s usually both. Forget counters, right?
I’ve been told to flank before…as D.Va. “Oh, just flank the Widow”. Yeah, I’m sure nobody will notice me with my massive mech that can’t crouch and my footsteps that sound like Bigfoot running on a tin roof. To add, D.Va IS a tank and I spend most of my time defending the team during a fight and peeling for my healers. It isn’t productive to the game to spend all of my time looking for a Widow on the other side of the map and ultimately serving as the enemy team’s punching bag. Teams love their little Widow if she’s hitting her shots, and they will do anything to make sure she stays alive. Unless your team has a better Widow, you’re f!cked. F!cked.
And don’t even talk about Winston, he’s so weak right now it honestly feels insane to think Dive was ever so strong.
Nerf that b**ch.