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[Piccolo-21845]

Disregard this post i have posted a more refined version

[Lumin-1385]

Counterpoint: Doomfist is fine and does not need any buffs. Also you don’t want Doom to be meta. Trust me. It never turns out well for the meta tank.

[Frip-1434]

its always Doom v 5 theres too many doomfist onetricks

[REDReMeDy-1122]

Its okay that DF requires a ton of skill to get value from. No other hero can hard-carry like he can.

Its also fine that his abilities are very punishable if used incorrectly. When youre the most mobile tank in the game, thats the price you pay.

I just kind of look at the all the downsides you bring up for DF and think… he can be everywhere and nowhere in a fight. He has to have significant downsides because of that.

The knockback nerf for tanks in the latest patch was a huge, huge buff for him as well.

Doom doesnt need buffs. He just needs his pilot to have a couple hundred hours of playing time to be good with him. Thats not an exaggeration. Is what it is.

[Lumin-1385]

@REDReMeDy-1122

He just needs his pilot to have a couple hundred hours of playing time to be good with him. Thats not an exaggeration. Is what it is.

Yes to all of what you said but this deserves highlighting. Doom and Ball both have very high skill floors. They need more hours of playtime to get the base value out of the hero than a majority of heroes need to fully master the hero. True masters on these tanks are super scary but also almost always 1-tricks who have a ton of time into them. These are definitely the hardest 2 tanks in the game. And I would personally argue the hardest two heroes in the game period.

[Tracer34-1831]

he sure the heck DOES NOT need buffs

[REDReMeDy-1122]

@Lumin-1385

I would personally argue the hardest two heroes in the game period.

I have never and will never be good with ball. I know how much time I’d need on him and no, thats not happening.

200 hours on DF and I still have plenty of room for improvement. I would say I’m competent but, hard carrying any random lobby is far, far from a certainty.

That all being said… I kinda still think Tracer is harder

[Lumin-1385]

@REDReMeDy-1122

That all being said… I kinda still think Tracer is harder

IMO Tracer and Echo are the hardest two DPS. Tracer also has a very high skill ceiling. But I don’t think that the skill floor is as high. Like it’s not low but maybe not as high.

[Norfeo-2913]

OP, I gently decline your request and agree with Lumin.

[Potatoad-21404]

@Piccolo-21845

Doomfist, once a powerful dive tank, has been nerfed so much over time in Overwatch 2 that he struggles to have the same impact. Comparing him to other heroes, especially tanks, shows how imbalanced things have become.

For example, Lucio—a support hero—can one-shot a Tracer with his primary fire from 50m away, yet Doomfist, a tank meant for close combat, has a hard time consistently securing kills after all the nerfs. Doomfist is supposed to be high-risk/high-reward, but the current risk-to-reward ratio just doesn’t stack up.

Lucio isn’t sniping anyone at 50m, let alone a Tracer.

[EaglesGlazer-1267]

I think doom is fine. This is personal preference but if I HAD to change something about him it would be his primary weapon and his ultimate. His shotgun is fine… but awkward because of the fire rate, mag size and how it reloads. I also don’t think his ultimate fits the tank role. The damage sucks and the idea of a tanks ultimate ability being one that removes them from the game is not the best. But if he’s in his state unchanged I think he’s just fine

[SilentSword-1192940]

@Piccolo-21845

For example, Lucio—a support hero—can one-shot a Tracer with his primary fire from 50m away

4 bullets != 1 shot.