But hanzo and Genji can summon friggin spirit dragons for no reason.
I don’t understand the problem. The spirit dragons could easily be Hard Light, considering their behaviour near mirrors Symmetra’s orbs in both gameplay and lore.
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Thats nothing but a theory, thats not a comfirmed fact, and doesn’t make much sense since the shimada’s don’t have any confirmed connection to viskar.
and i don’t get why discord orb should be a in-game only ability of zenyatta. giving out a orb that gives enemies negative emotions doesn’t sound too far fetched compared to summoning a friggin dragon.
It’s not because one is more realistic or believable than the other. One (the dragons) are confirmed canon and have been seen in the lore, while the other (discord and harmony orbs) have been confirmed to be purely gameplay. Simple as that.
Yeah i know that. thats why i said “discorb orb isn’t canon but the shimada’s can summon dragons” my point is that the developers saying discorb orb is in-game only while shimada’s dragon are canon in lore is really dumb. simple as that.
There’s absoulely zero reason for zenyatta’s abilites to be non canon. they could damage the enemy’s mind, spirtual;y expose the enemies worst fears. or i don’t know, maybe because zenyatta is suppose to be a “mysterious monk” he could have mystical powers that science can’t explain? his in-game interactions have characters asking him how his powers work, and him saying “eh”. they could easily make that part of his canon lore. thats much more interesting then. “nah he doesn’t have any powers”
In Canon it’s the Battlenet Voice chat Orb, but that’s too long for the ingame tooltip
I’mma just post this here. Few more replies down below.
Honestly, with the semi-recent voicelines pointing towards that he does have healing abilities and his mala being able to be used for peaceful purposes aka orb of harmony, they might and totally should retcon whatever jeff blubbered out of his mouth. Zenyatta is just far less interesting character without his orbs and abilities and breaking him is like breaking the yin yang balance that the character stands for.
And yes, we can apparently have spiritual dragons, cyborg ninjas, invisible hackers, genetically engineered wraiths that can turn incorporeal and talking gorillas and intelligent hamsters and man, sentient robots, but discord that makes a person doubt themselves is too much lol.
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i sure hope your right!
also jeff mentioned in a blizzardworld interview that dva was a starcraft pro but then micheal chu said that she wasn’t? and that it was never true in the first place? so if that thing jeff said it wrong then who knows what else is wrong.
Indeed, retcons happen all the time.
Zenyatta has zero lore. If jeff has said something that clashes with the direction they want to take Zenyatta because man he needs actual honest to god lore, then they can just retcon it out, simple. Nothing he has said in haste is set in stone.
All it would do is piss off the Zenyatta fans. It pisses off everyone I know who is a fan of the character. Keeping discord orb and making his abilities canon is what we need, not what needs to be taken away to dumb down the character.
All I can do is pray they don’t do this disservice to us and remove his orbs and abilities completely because “we dont have compelling enough reason lol”. His orbs haven’t made a single appearance in comics either, even when he himself has and that has me very worried, since his mala are certainly canon and they are part of Zenyatta’s character design that should not be taken away.
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i agree! there’s plenty of reasons to explain discorb orb. it could damage the opponents mind with negatives thoughts. like using the opponents own fears against them.
or maybe they could not explain how his powers work in-universe. i mean plenty of his interactions have allies ask how his powers work and him giving them a weird answer. he could just be a “mysterious monk”. it would make it more interesting and fitting to his character if he had mysterious abilities. i mean his whole character is “robo monk that is spiritual” it would make much more sense for him to have powers than no powers.
Not even Genji knows much about Zenyatta, so the mysterious monk is definitely right up his alley. They do not have to explain how any of his abilities work, just like they don’t explain how shimada dragons work. We see it and believe it. Suspension of disbelief and all that jazz that works for reaper turning to wraith and other stuff. And how is Zenyatta supposed to heal the world and defend the innocent if he didn’t have any kind of power on his own? World of overwatch is not a kind place for omnics. He could not help nobody if he didn’t have healing abilities and making enemies doubt themselves would solve conflicts without getting to blows. Zenyatta rarely fights, but he is not helpless.
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honestly there’s no reason for any of the abilities to be non canon when the dragons are and they don’t even have an explanation.
What’s wrong with the dragons? Here’s a list of what we know about them.
- They exist.
- Hanzo and Genji can use them.
- They are not magic.
Going by this, they make just as much sense as some of the other stuff we have seen canonically exist, such as one directional shields, gravitons, holographic faces, personal-time manipulation, talking monkeys, and 3D holograms.
If your problem is that they look like dragons, would you have the same problem if they were just abstract blue tubes? The detailing of them doesn’t really matter much, considering the quality of holograms we have seen thusfar.
I can see the discord orbs as canon much like the healing orbs. Zenyatta meditates to find inner peace and harmony. The orbs much like chi totems such as jewellery and stones are said to hold such power (in theory; many Asian cultures believe this). So a discord could be the reverse as a bad totem that disrupts the “peace and harmony”.
Think of it as good feng shui and bad feng shui.
my problem is that noone at blizzard has ever bothered explaining what hanzo’s and genji’s dragons are. the just exist. how is that not a problem? how come hanzo and genji can summon dragons for no explained reason, but zenyatta can’t have discorb orb. and all we know is “hanzo and genji can summon dragons but they aren’t magic” that doesn’t explain ANYTHING. i don’t care if the dragons are real or not. what i do care is people saying that stuff like mercy’s rez, or lucio’s crossfade, or zen’s orbs can’t be lore canon for stupid reasons like “they don’t make sense”
Nobody is saying they can’t be canon because they don’t make sense. We’re saying they aren’t canon because they have explicitly been pointed out as non-canon. Plenty of things in Overwatch are not explained - how cars levitate, why the omnics rebelled, etc. Being explained is not a requirement for being canon.
and i’m saying thats extremely stupid. there’s no reason for zenyatta’s discorb orb to not be lore canon. ZERO REASON. i know jeff kaplan said “its only canon to gameplay” thats my point. i think its a really stupid decision to make it not lore canon when hanzo’s dragons exist.
if your point is “its not canon because the devs said its not canon” than your missing my point. my point is it SHOULD be canon and the devs said otherwise is a really dumb decision.
Where has it ever been stated to not be canon?
there’s this q&a where someone asks jeff how discorb orb works and he said that “some abilites are just for gameplay and aren’t based on lore” but i think that there’s no reason for discorb to not exist in lore.