Devs once again prove they are listening

[Ascendance-11601]

They not nerfing doom or hanzo. But ill give them credit were its due.

[Undertone-2728]

Who said they weren’t listening?

Plenty of people apparently based on the myriads of threads coming up.

They not nerfing doom or hanzo. But ill give them credit were its due.

Give them time. I also feel Bastion needs a little bit of attention but everything step by step.

Count me amongst the thankful. These changes were good and measured. Maybe some of them won’t be enough, but they are all in the right direction and all on heroes the community has been saying needed help.

Thanks for your positive post Undertone.

Agreed. I think some part of the community just wants instant changes without any thought or just wants some heroes to be overpowered without putting other players or heroes into consideration. The devs know what they are doing and have a lot more information than we could ever hope to have. I would rather trust the person with experience and information.

At this rate we can assume Bastion is getting the next big rework. They have been so quiet about Bastion and now this is the only thing that makes sense on why they have touched Bastion at all.

I think so as well. Bastion definitely needs some love and I’m sure they won’t leave him like that forever.

Didnt Jeff say that even Mercy’s minuscule buff could be redacted, and Sym needs balancing not buffing imo, buffing her weapon makes her less reliant on turrets which is great but her turrets are still ridiculous. The devs wouldnt be able to listen to us if everyone was just “content” like you.

Demanding something unrealistic and complaining all the time doesn’t get you anywhere. Not to mention the devs can see the bigger picture more than any other random forum goer or somebody that hasn’t played the game for 1 year+ now.

This is honestly what you wanted? Yeah lets not get our value’s worth lets just be complacent and content about everything and anything.

You realize the game is 2+ years old? 2+ years is not worth enough entertainment value for you? I haven’t spent a single euro on top of what I paid for the game itself - I would say 2+ years is way more entertainment value over what I spent for the initial purchase. Like waaaaaaaaaay more.

Did the con con us or do we allow them to con us?

You’ve been getting free content for 2+ years now. Man, I wish I would get conned like this more often in life.

[BattleMercy-1705]

Plenty of people apparently based on the myriads of threads coming up.

Well that’s wrong. No one is that oblivious. The likely scenario is that they either don’t want to respond for some reason or are simply ignoring us. Ok, so all three of these are bad.

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Spreading positivity and ice cream, one Mercy at a time.

[Remedyheart-1707]

Yeah decent content.

It honrstly feels like we’ve been holding our breath the entire time waiting for Overwatch to blow up with ita full potwntialm

[Undertone-2728]

The likely scenario is that they either don’t want to respond for some reason or are simply ignoring us

They have been responding and they haven’t ignored us. Hog, Reaper, Sym and Mercy changes are clear evidence that they listen. The support changes can also back that claim up - game is in the best state it has been for a long time.

[BattleMercy-1705]

They have been responding and they haven’t ignored us

Us, as in those who dislike Mercy’s current state.

Hog, Reaper, Sym and Mercy changes are clear evidence that they listen. The support changes can also back that claim up - game is in the best state it has been for a long time.

A large portion of us still haven’t gotten our issues addressed yet. One prime example that most of us have been saying since the rework is fun. Blizz has never responded to us regarding that after the rework.

game is in the best state it has been for a long time.

This is your opinion.

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Spreading positivity and ice cream, one Mercy at a time.

[Undertone-2728]

Us, as in those who dislike Mercy’s current state.

Mercy is fine, no issues with her.

A large portion of us still haven’t gotten our issues addressed yet. One prime example that most of us have been saying since the rework is fun. Blizz has never responded to us regarding that after the rework.

Fun is subjective, has nothing to do with balance. Also plenty of people find Mercy entertaining to play. Also they already responded plenty of times - they said mass rez is not coming back, they said they are happy with the changes and then they said again they were happy with the recent support changes. Either way, Mercy is fun and she is balanced. More importantly, the other supports are now useable.

This is your opinion.

And? This is your opinion as well.

[CreamGod-1455]

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[BattleMercy-1705]

Mercy is fine, no issues with her.

I disagree. Fun has yet to be addressed and she, right now, isn’t balanced. I don’t know what the recent changes will do so I won’t say she’ll still be unbalanced.

Fun is subjective, has nothing to do with balance

Fun is what a game is supposed to aim for and it should be equally considered with balance.

Also plenty of people find Mercy entertaining to play.

And plently of people don’t. Are we just going to listen to one side whilst ignoring the other?

Also they already responded plenty of times - they said mass rez is not coming back,

They said a revert is not a possibility. You don’t need to revert Mercy to bring back mass Res.

hey said they are happy with the changes and then they said again they were happy with the recent support changes.

They often say this but end up continuing making changes anyway. They’re never deadset on something when it comes to that.

Either way, Mercy is fun and she is balanced

Last part, I disagree.

More importantly, the other supports are now useable.

This was the case before her rework.

And? This is your opinion as well.

And I don’t really care if you think this game is in it’s best state since it has little to no relevance to our discussion? But ok?

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Spreading positivity and ice cream, one Mercy at a time.

[Accuroso-1984]

Considering how many likes this post has it really shows the overwhelming, yet hidden majority.
Thank gosh.

[bananafish80-1304]

oof

[Accuroso-1984]

And plently of people don’t.

The real question is how many people are fine with her.

You don’t need to revert Mercy to bring back mass Res.

Huh?

They often say this but end up continuing making changes anyway. They’re never deadset on something when it comes to that .

I mean, I think they are happy with her overall. Most of the changes lately have been little screwdriver tweaks.

This was the case before her rework.

A million little birdies tell me otherwise.

[BattleMercy-1705]

The real question is how many people are fine with her.

I’ll answer back with, how many people are not fine with her? Also, to answer your question, probably the majority. Why? Because statistically, almost half of the Mercy community, after the rework, stopped playing the game.

Huh?

You really don’t.

I mean, I think they are happy with her overall. Most of the changes lately have been little screwdriver tweaks.

Maybe you’re right. That being said, a considerable portion of the community are not happy.

A million little birdies tell me otherwise.

A million little numbers tell me the contrary.

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Spreading positivity and ice cream, one Mercy at a time.

[Undertone-2728]

Fun has yet to be addressed

Fun is subjective. I find her fun and plenty of other people do so as well.

Fun is what a game is supposed to aim for and it should be equally considered with balance.

Fun and balance are two different things, nor do they have the same prioritization. You cannot have something to be blatantly overpowered just because it’s fun. A little bit redundant to even mention.

And plently of people don’t. Are we just going to listen to one side whilst ignoring the other?

Like I said, fun is not a metric because it’s subjective.

You don’t need to revert Mercy to bring back mass Res.

Mass Rez was unhealthy for the game, hence why it’s no longer in the game.

And I don’t really care if you think this game is in it’s best state

Game balance has relevance to this discussion. That’s what this discussion is all about.

Anyway, I don’t want to turn this thread into yet another debate about Mercy. She is fine, she is fun and she is balanced. Please use another thread to discuss her state - there’s 12928913823 of them.

Considering how many likes this post has it really shows the overwhelming, yet hidden majority.
Thank gosh.

The forum is a very very small percent of the OW population, almost non-existent. Reddit is a much better representation (yet still small in terms of size). Unfortunately, the forums have almost become unusable at this point because of the constant influx of the same threads over and over for past one year.

Because statistically, almost half of the Mercy community, after the rework, stopped playing the game.

I would like to see you back them claim up.

[Accuroso-1984]

Because statistically, almost half of the Mercy community, after the rework, stopped playing the game.

You know, not to be mean or anything, but we can sweep this under they didn’t like change. Tbh I wouldn’t like my hero changed like that.

You really don’t.

I’m actually curious as to what you have in mind.

Maybe you’re right. That being said, a considerable portion of the community are not happy.

The biggest problem is that we don’t have a sustainable source for happiness, I mean, from what I have seen, there are only around 40 Mercy mains on the forums advocating for a revert or mass rez from what I have seen.

A million little birdies tell me otherwise.

Much confusion. Have my birdies committed treason? OFF TO THE PLATE

[BattleMercy-1705]

Fun is subjective. I find her fun and plenty of other people do so as well.

Blizzard have made multiple changes before for other heroes regarding fun. An example of this is Hanzo’s scatter. Also, I and plenty of others don’t find her fun.

Fun and balance are two different things, nor do they have the same prioritization. You cannot have something to be blatantly overpowered just because it’s fun. A little bit redundant to even mention.

I never said they weren’t and they should have the same prioritization. Otherwise, you’ll have a balanced game but the playerbase has moved on because fun wasn’t focused on enough.

You cannot have something to be blatantly overpowered just because it’s fun. A little bit redundant to even mention.

Overpowered isn’t the only way to have fun?

Like I said, fun is not a metric because it’s subjective.

And like I said, they’ve made changes before regarding fun so clearly, subjective or not, they don’t care.

Mass Rez was unhealthy for the game, hence why it’s no longer in the game.

Elaborate on the unhealthy aspects and tell me what couldn’t be fixed with simple tweaks amongst those unhealthy aspects.

Game balance has relevance to this discussion. That’s what this discussion is all about.

Ok then. I believe this game is in it’s worst state, it has ever been in.

Anyway, I don’t want to turn this thread into yet another debate about Mercy.

Oh, I’ll take my leave then after I finish this reply.

She is fine, she is fun

I disagree. She is not fine, fun and balanced.

Please use another thread to discuss her state - there’s 12928913823 of them.

Okayyy.

I would like to see you back them claim up.

Basically, immediately after her rework her pickrate halved. This was before she became a must pick. Conclusion? A large number of people must’ve quit. That is an unnecessary loss.

You know, not to be mean or anything, but we can sweep this under they didn’t like change. Tbh I wouldn’t like my hero changed like that.

I mean, that may be a reason but we still know that large quantity of the Mercy playerbase stopped playing the game. An unnecessary loss…

I’m actually curious as to what you have in mind.

Mass Res with a cast time, LoS fixes, and damage reduction or burst heal instead of Invulnerability. Also, make it so you don’t need someone to die to use it and instead heals the surrounding players by 100HP. For a new e ability, Pacify or Halo would be fine. Both are found here:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19jlYKIjvp3Hyi5yUFqeO5dqYnlav64DlvmfteAJpl2I/edit?usp=sharing

The biggest problem is that we don’t have a sustainable source for happiness, I mean, from what I have seen, there are only around 40 Mercy mains on the forums advocating for a revert or mass rez from what I have seen.

If we were to use Titanium’s infamous, Why I Have Yet to Not Despise Mercy’s Current State as a basis, and compare it to a thread that says Mercy is fine, in terms of popularity, Titanium’s thread’s win. 1700+ confirmed players are not happy with her current state. If we were to use that as a sample size, it would likely point at those unhappy with her state to be a large number.

Much confusion. Have my birdies committed treason? OFF TO THE PLATE

You’re funny! What I meant is, statistics.

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Anyway, the OP doesn’t want me to discuss Mercy’s current state here so with that, I take my leave. Have fun y’all! I won’t be responding to replies in this thread anymore.

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Spreading positivity and ice cream, one Mercy at a time.

[Fartbiscuits-1798]

tfw the community has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that recent mercy changes are indeed not a buff nor are they good for mercy

[GreyFalcon-11737]

Baja delightfully listed many changes that was asked for by the community. Whether these changes was due to community comments or not, we’ll never know. But the community wanted it, and Blizzard did it so I would tend to believe they did listen.

• I asked for more concussion mines on Junkrat
• Frost blaster piercing on Mei
• No dropoff icicles on Mei
• No 0.1sec hack grace period on Sombra
• Most of the changes that happened to Roadhog
• And 50hps on Mercy on the basis of healing per round
• And for them to focus on making as many heroes be viable as possible.

I’m feeling like I got a lot of what I wanted

[Jerant-1609]

Basically, immediately after her rework her pickrate halved. This was before she became a must pick. Conclusion? A large number of people must’ve quit. That is an unnecessary loss.

Or maybe they switched to another hero? Ana became a very lucrative choice.

Your conclusion is based on an assumption. You have no proof, and making conjecture.

[Undertone-2728]

An example of this is Hanzo’s scatter.

Hanzo’s scatter was not changed because of fun but because the devs never intended for it to be used in such a way and to one-shot a tank.

I never said they weren’t and they should have the same prioritization. Otherwise, you’ll have a balanced game but the playerbase has moved on because fun wasn’t focused on enough.

Fun and balance are two separate things. One is subjective, the other one is not.

Overpowered isn’t the only way to have fun?

My point exactly, fun is subjective, it’s not measurable and it’s personal. It has no merit when discussing balance.

And like I said, they’ve made changes before regarding fun so clearly, subjective or not, they don’t care.

Not the case.

Elaborate on the unhealthy aspects and tell me what couldn’t be fixed with simple tweaks amongst those unhealthy aspects.

I’ve elaborated on this plenty of times as thousands of others also have done in the past including pros and the devs. The super short version - it was the easiest ultimate to do in the game which required no mechanical skill of any kind, press of a button with no counter of any kind and maximum utility. Hide&rez was terrible mechanic. Yeah, I know what you gonna do next: post a link of Titanium’s thread. I’ve already refuted plenty of his points many times and his suggestion for Mercy is flat out insanely OP.

Ok then. I believe this game is in it’s worst state, it has ever been in.

Well, sorry but that’s just simply not the case if look at the supports - all supports are currently viable, not just Mercy. Reality disagrees with you.

Oh, I’ll take my leave then after I finish this reply.

Thanks, I’m sure you will find plenty of Mercy threads - the forums are practically drowning in them.

asically, immediately after her rework her pickrate halved. This was before she became a must pick. Conclusion? A large number of people must’ve quit. That is an unnecessary loss.

Evidence, please. Statistics, data. Also I dunno about you, but the last 8 months were literally nothing but Mercy. Mercy was literally an absolute must-pick with ridiculously abnormal pickrate in OWL. There’s literally overwhelming evidence that Mercy was broken the likes of which no other hero has seen. And before that people abused mass rez for ridiculous SR gains. Mercy was a must pick and broken before Valkyrie.

A large number of people must’ve quit.

Proof of this please.

Anyway, the OP doesn’t want me to discuss Mercy’s current state here so with that, I take my leave. Have fun y’all! I won’t be responding to replies in this thread anymore.

Thanks, feel free to reply to this in an actual Mercy thread if you want. But at this point I’ve honestly learned that it’s a pointless debate. Mass rez was unhealthy for the game. And Titanium’s rework is absolutely broken.

tfw the community has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that recent mercy changes are indeed not a buff nor are they good for mercy

What is this community? The forums are a tiny tiny fraction of the community and the idea that the forums is a homogeneous group is quite honestly ridiculous.