Dear Support Mains, stop complaining about Tracer and Genji

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Y’all sound like a broken record at this point. I’m sorry if my main purpose is to

  1. Eliminate Supports
  2. Duel DPS
  3. Farm Ult from tanks/ eliminate tanks.

That is my priority list and it varies from map to map and composition to composition. But for the most part eliminating Supports come first.

Y’all act like they were introduced into the game last week, No they’ve been here since DAY ONE.

If you’ve been playing since year one you’ve had almost three years to learn and adapt to their playstyles. If you’ve been hear since year two you’ve had two years. And year three I’ll give you a pass because it’s only been a couple months.

But by God Support mains, y’all are some of the most entitled people in this community.

When Supports do the healing:
“OH THEY MUST BE FOREVER PRAISED”
When tanks create space:
“YOU MUST WORSHIP THE GROUND THEY WALK ON”
When a flanker actually flanks and eliminates the Support:
“THEY ARE THE SCOURGE OF THE EARTH AND MUST BE NERFED INTO OBLIVION”

Imagine if hitscan mains started to complain about shields on a weekly basis.

“That’s not fair they have 2000hp shield and I can’t eliminate the McCree that is behind it, shields need to be nerfed. That Winston bubble blocks all my line of sight when I shoot and I can’t do damage it needs a smaller radius.”

Imagine if tanks mains on a weekly basis complained about defensive ults.

“Man, trans and beatdrop complete negated my Shatter, Grav, Whole Hog, etc. That’s not fair, they should be nerfed. My big brain play was out shined by single button push. They need to be addressed.”

What’s the obvious response, it’s their job to do that, so then why is it when I do my job as a flanker I’m crucified.

I don’t complain when Supports nullify my Blade, Visor, Pulse bomb, EMP, Dragon, etc.
I just say damn. Next time.

So enough is enough Support mains, y’all have had it too easy for too long. I as a Tracer main, am just completely fed up with the amount of complaints and nerf calling for my perfectly BALANCED hero. Let me say that again perfectly BALANCED hero.

Wanna tip on how to deal with flankers? Position yourself better. As in make it difficult for flankers to reach you.

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Inb4 404 or lock.

I agree that the flankers are both balanced, I think Tracer is decently balanced [I don’t have much experience AS her, but a lot AGAINST her], and that Genji is extremely well balanced and one of the most balanced heroes in the game. [A lot of experience AS and AGAINST him]. I strongly believe that neither need any changes at all.

But this is going to brood a lot of toxicity and spite a lot of people, it’s going to kick so many hornets nests. Calling people out especially in this fashion isn’t going to help anything, you’ll just piss a load of people off.

You want people to calm down and actually become peaceful? Talk civilly and calmly with them, and offer advice to help them. It’s what I do and I’ve made a lot more friends on here than I have enemies.

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Show me on the Tracer figurine where Brigitte touched you

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I think most of the flankers are pushovers for the supports now, and that’s coming from a support main.

If I even catch a glimpse of a lurking Genji I just fly up into the sky and laugh manically. Bye nerds!

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stop complaining about people complaining.

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They wouldn’t have to complain about people complaining if the people who complain didn’t complain about them complaining that they complain about them.

:wink:

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…
too much complaining.

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OP spams for healing and it shows.

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The stupid thing is neither Genji nor Tracer is actually GOOD these days.

A Genji player has to be excellent to be oppressive. It’s a freaking MIRACLE if Tracer even carries her weight. I could see complaining about tanks, or maybe Doomfist or Torbjorn or Ashe or Widow or someone good, but Genji is average and Tracer downright sucks at present.

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Not sure why you pretend it’s exclusive to support players to constantly complain. If I’m not mistaken, DeleteBrig and NERF MOIRA threads are quite frequent from Tracer and to a lesser extent… Genji mains.

The truth is that both roles rely on how strong/op/annoying the other is. It’s not fun having your team scream they need healing at you cause a Sombra, Genji, Tracer, or Doomfist is just jumping you and ending you faster than you can fight back. Then Moira and Brig gave some support in that department and the flankers now had to deal with supports who they couldn’t steam roll. This is nice for the supports but makes the flankers frustrated cause they can’t rely on the same instant gib tactics and struggle to kill something that will fight back against them.

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90% of the complains are about people smurfing the lower ranks, it isn’t the heroes, it is that the kind of people who play them like to smurf.

If you could stop people smurfing, almost all of the complains against the heroes would vanish.

Or to put it another (slighter meaner) way, the problem isn’t Tracer or Genji, it is the kind of people who play Tracer or Genji.

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I have zero sympathy for you since there has been way more negative posts and nerfs thrown at Brigitte, Moira, and post rework Mercy… which happen to be the only three supports in the entirety of the game who can actually fight back against flankers.

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As a Doomfist… Ana is basically the only support that can fight back against me.

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Most supports in the game can actually fight back if they are good enough. The only odd one out is Mercy, and she can run away from them.

Ana has more than enough to combat them.

Lucio can out-maneuver them.

Moira can counter Genji, and fend off Tracer.

Zenyatta can beat them, although he has a hard time, if he’s skilled enough it is possible.

Brigitte, need I even say?

Baptiste can use his Field and deny them any reward from engagement.

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I think a lot of it has to do with the design of Tracer’s kit, and maybe a little of the playerbase too.

Now, I tend to just ignore the supports that complain about Genji so this will be focusing mostly on Tracer. So keep that in mind.

Anyways, the main reason why I see more Tracer complaints than Genji or Doomfist complaints is that with Doomfist, you hear him coming. With Genji, he is easier to be dealt with imo because a lot of them tend to be predictable with their movement, coupled with his lower/less reliable damage, being projectile. Or maybe I just have easier times with Genjis. With Tracer, you tend to not see her coming, until she’s already shooting you. That’s where a lot of these complaints are coming from, at least. Scenarios like that. I’ve also seen a few complaints centered around Recall and that can be its own debate.

And I do see where OP is coming from. It’s like tanks complaining about Reaper when he is designed to counter tanks. The difference is that Reaper eventually plateaus and can’t be more effective. Tracer’s skill ceiling is practically infinite. So yes, supports can adapt to Tracer’s playstyle, but at the same time, those same Tracer players are getting better at their own play, and considering how high her ceiling is, there’s really no limit to how well she can outplay you. Which wouldn’t be a bad thing, if the ceilings of other heroes were so low, in comparison.

A lot of these complaints stem from the year of dive we had. At the time, Tracer was really strong because it was her meta, and at the same time there really wasn’t any support that could reliably deal with her. The closest you had was Zenyatta, but she still has the advantage due to how large his hitbox is, and due to Recall (again).

And like VexTheHex and FFirebrandd said, supports aren’t the only ones to complain. The DeleteBrig movement was started by people who mained heroes Brigitte was designed to counter. We’ve gotten tons of threads asking for nerfs to Brigitte and Moira, and then there’s the whole debate of if Moira’s damage beam is a lock-on or not. And back when Tracer got her Pulse Bomb nerf, there were countless threads complaining about that nerf. Even now, I see the odd thread here and there asking for Pulse Bomb’s damage to be buffed/reverted.

But like I said, the Tracer/Genji complaints mostly because of the time we spent in dive. And so a lot of the support mains have a sort of Tracer-PTSD or Genji-PTSD from that time. Just like how people have a sort of Brigitte-PTSD, and I’m sure there are people that have Mei-PTSD back when QP didn’t have hero limits and people just made teams of 6 Meis and stacked freezes. It’s the same concept. And yes, I am probably going to try to make “X Hero-PTSD” a thing.

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To be fair I was mostly talking about vs Tracer and Genji. Doomfist has spent a disturbing amount of time as a throw pick.

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Don’t forget they often attack Symmetra, Junkrat, and Torb players as well for being no skill. Or McCree for cheap stun kills. Or Hanzo for log hit boxes, storm, or scatter depending on the timing.

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I wouldn’t scapegoat that.

Those who call other heroes skilless constantly are either frustrated or seek inflation of ego. This isn’t tied to any hero. Stereotypes more often than not are false.

I do none of which that you speak of, and I am part of the community you seek to scapegoat.

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Its not so much that they are assuming- you should read how much hate these two get on the forums.

Not even close to as frequent as “stop complaining about DeleteBrig/Nerf Moira” threads.

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