i am curious if people think she is a difficult hero to pick up, in the past no she wasnt difficult imo, i mean she wasnt the easiest but she wasnt difficult either but with the dm cooldown nerf(which i still agree with however the last nerf was not needed at all imo) i think its raised both her skill floor and ceiling by quite a bit while aiming is not difficult with her managing the dm cooldown, being in the right place(i mean i know everyone has to be in the right place but most characters cant block damage in the same way d.va does) i personally think she is up there in terms of skill floor
just my opinion though other people might think she is mindless and while she was a dm bot maybe but not anymore imo
the difference between a good d.va and a horrible d.va is huge now imo while in the past you could be not as good but still get good value out of her
Itās very easy to feed with her as you burn through your defense matrix, and not having it ready at the times you REALLY need it really seperates the good from the bad D.va players. You need good resource management.
And of course, rushing squishies down with her booster+micro missles is an art. Thereās plenty of really good angles for her ult that the player can play around with, and using it as a follow up move on other ultimates (or cooldowns) can be a genuine challenge.
Personally, iād put her above average in terms of both skill floor/ceiling.
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I find DVaās skill floor to be pretty low and just about anyone can play her and be decent for their tier.
To me the lowest skill floors are Brig, Reaper, Moira, Mercy, junkratā¦she is probably just above those. Grouped with like Mei and Bastion.
I think her skill ceiling is somewhere between Rein and Soldier.
You need to have all the positional awareness and cool down awareness of a Rein, maybe more, while being able to track aim and understand you burst ability and mobility and where they are needed.
Even after this patch.
Just my opinion.
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She is relatively easy and overtuned.
The only skill required is be able to predict when the enemy team will use gravs or any deadly ultimate and be there for negate it.
High skill ceiling, low skill floor.
D.va is a high skill floor and ceiling hero since you can be really effective with her but it requires you to constantly position properly with your boosters, effectively track the small head hitboxes of enemies spammin ADADADAD and now that matrix has been nerfed again the window of opportunity for eating ultimates and important burst damage is even smaller than before. Getting a kill with her ult is pretty easy but getting multiple ones is very hard and mostly happens around setups.
The only āeasyā parts about her kit are her hp pool, boosters and the extra live aspect she gets from her ultimate even though a lot of low tier players use it in the wrong spot and then just double feed without getting kills
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How does anyone get the idea that sheās a low skill floor hero? Sheās the Tracer of tanks, in this patch more than ever. D.va below mid to high GM isnāt even the same hero as the actual D.va.
Just because a D.va randomly deleted your grav once doesnāt mean sheās a low skill floor hero. She feeds very easily, have next to no guaranteed value on her weapons thanks to their short range, is very vulnerable to cc heroes like Mei and Sombra, has a mediocre ult that requires good reading, tracking, timing and knowledge to get value out of. She has HEAVY positional requirements, and is extremely squishy for a tank.
A hero that is literally only good at the very highest tier of play is not low skill floor.
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I think they significantly raised her skill floor, and significantly lowered her skill ceiling. Itās clear that at low ranks where reaper is ubiquitous, sheās become very difficult to play considering how badly your own DPS fill their roles.
Iām not sure where the idea that they raised her skill ceiling has been coming from, itās 100% clear that more skilled D.vas are going to be able to do less, not more. The cap on how much you can squeeze out of her with insane skill is definitely not being raised.
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The nerfs raise her skill floor and lower her skill ceiling. You donāt have to learn how to match DM with tracers shoot and reload cycle to better peel her anymore because, surprise! You canāt do it anymore! Why would anyone want to do something high skill and smart like that!
Iām pretty convinced people who say sheās really easy to pick up donāt peel with her.
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easy to pick up, hard to master or get relatively good at, eating abilities and ultimates and flying and going after the right targets etc can be tricky.
but she does have a big healthpool, a chance to get into her mech again if she looses it, a long range option in micromissiles and an ultimate you can get random kills with pretty easily in lower tier and a main gun that doesnāt run out ammo that deals significant damage up close being able to bully people up close.
at low end sheās easier than orisa, at high end sheās harder than orisa i think, thatās just my opinion.
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I peel with her constantly. But I also play Genji and Widow and McCree and there is no comparison in how much easier it is to have impact with DVa than it is with those heroes. Itās relative.
I guess the skill floor is high if you only play DVa.
I donāt think sheās high skill floor. Those are mostly high skill floor heroes. Iām talking about people who think sheās like mercy level.
Sheās probably somewhere in the middle
Oh I said she was easy but above the mercy brig level I even put reaper there because he really doesnāt take a lot.
But if you look at Winston, much harder to be decent with than DVa.
It can vary from person to person. I guess I found Winston very intuitive (insert name joke here) because I spent so much time on D.Va first. But yeah, Iād say people start worse on Winston than D.Va
That said, people overextend and feed on D.Va like nothing Iāve never seen before.
Not entirely sure about that. Though, i guess that depends on what you mean by āāstartāā. The unorganized settings in the lower ranks, along with the lack of having an aim requirement makes Winston pretty beginner friendly, in the lower skill brackets. I reckon itās really not that hard to find isolated targets in Bronze/Silver/Gold and maybe even Platinum.
Winston doesnāt really need aim. It helps a lot at lower level.