So what that means is basically whenever Mouffin feels like playing a bit of dva and winning, he’s responsible for like 80% of the wins for dva in GM statistics alone. 
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I didn’t mean that he has never been worse than D.va. I said that he was never the worst character in the game.
i mean not too long ago he was at the bottom with Tracer, so
I said D.Va’s winrate was due to her low pickrate, and gave example of other heroes in the same case. And you just brush them aside by playing the fool ? Is it all you have left ?
They are competition.
D.Va’s position currently is that of worst hero in the game.
I’ve been using facts since I’ve started talking in these forums.
You however, are using twisted mind tricks that only make you look like a fool for how ridiculous they are.
Diamond is high rank, it’s the top 10% of the playerbase.
It doesn’t disprove my claims, only proves them. Diamond proves them even further and discredit yours.
No it isn’t. Orisa falls to 66% and Sigma, who is the one competing with D.Va for the spot, falls to 48%.
That’s a whole lot of playtime available for other tanks, and D.Va gets none.
Now you’re being ridiculous here. Trying to find ways to negate my arguments.
But then if Orisa/Sigma are harder to use, why doesn’t D.Va get played more ?
You can’t even do maths, and you claim I did it wrong ?
You can’t even give your own result.
Funny, that’s completely false.
https://www.winstonslab.com/customquery/pickrates/?dateGreater=&dateSmaller=&event[]=86&specificMatchupTeam1=0&specificMatchupTeam2=0&team[]=&map[]=&roundtype[]=
OWL S1 pickrates. Widow has double Genji’s pickrate.
5% when you have 15 alternatives is close to balanced. 1/16 is 6.25%.
5% when you have 7 alternatives is bad. 1/8 is 12.5%. Even 8% is bad.
GOATS wasn’t during Dive.
And cheese comps are niche comps. They were far from being common.
Ah, direct insults now. Good way to make your point.
And D.Va synergizes with Rein and Hammond, and they’re fairly picked. And with Sigma being picked less, that’s more room for the off-tank spot.
Did D.Va get any share of it ? No.
They’re not dominating.
If they were, they’d be at the top in every rank. But the most played tank overall is Reinhardt.
Now you’re hallucinating.
I don’t care what XQC says. His opinion has no more value than yours or mine.
No. You want it to be, but that’s BS.
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And you attributed it to the same cases as symm and torb, which they aren´t, ashe does not have a high winrate because of that.
You´re as dense as it gets.
She is currently weak correct, this is accurate, but as you linked yourself it had nothing to do with her nerfs and everything to do with the new heroes and their synergies. This is why her stats weren´t like this, when she was nerfed, this is the 10x time you are told this.
You mean those mind tricks that are just all of overbuffs stats proving you wrong, i can´t wait to show you wrong in the stats about owl in a second…
No, it is top 14% as stated by jeff, which isn´t high at all. Especially not balance wise.
It does 100%, there are loads of other tanks that are struggling and you said only high rank with good players matters, that means basically only GM. So try again, you disproved everything you said with your own claims.
Again d.va never was played with Orisa, where are you getting these screwed ideas, true D.va onetrick speaking.
Her pickrate still gets 10x higher the lower you go, so it does…
The fact that you call it simple division is just enough that i know it is wrong, cause it isn´t division, you need to know what percentage of games each role holds. And what that holds in weight for all the characters in them afterwards.
Cutting another quote short to lie straight up.
Here u go, as i said season 1 OWL widow has low pickrate in stage 1 and 2 and only during stage 3 Moth meta Mercy does her pickrate spike to higher than genji´s and later on Tracers.
Do you actually wanna continue constantly trying to prove me wrong when i have every fact on my side in the way that i word it ?
This is just 100% gold of how stupidly hard you try to argue vague and borderline wrong points to what was stated.
Season 2 stage 1, litterally right after dive, it ended dive you god damn… Just look at the picture if you need help.
Literally just truths not even insults. You just got owned in reading something wrong and you didn´t own up to it.
When ?
Nice when ?
No cause she doesn´t synergise with any of them, how low of a D.va OTP are you, this is blasphemy… Also, she did, she got 10x her pickrate, she is picked far more down ranks buddy.
Sure buddy you lost all logic there, then why was Tracer never played outside of GM and OWL, DIVE in general wasn´t really touched outside of those ranks. Higher skilled heroes never dominate all ranks, they never do, cause most of the ranks people play what they can and want to play, which isn´t Orisa/Sigma.
Ohh am i, seems quite easy to spot the sheer amount of people saying your idea is terrible and or D.va doesn´t need those buffs.
Argh another “Thats BS” cause i proved you wrong. You don´t like that the best winston players in the world said that his issues isn´t lying with him but other characters ?
Cause you litterally provided the exact evidence of D.va win/Pickrate only tanking to these levels directly as a result of Sigma and Orisa being released.
Now please, go play the game rank up to a decent level, play some scrims and get some experience, so you learn these things. Otherwise cite some sources to back up your ridiculous claims, D.va has looked bad in this one meta and nothing suggests it was cause of her nerfs other than the tanks and their buffs.
Everything points to tanks being OP and needing tuning not the rest of the tanks needing to be brought back to that level.
That is why we have a meta shaped entirely and solely around those two tanks.
Their Dominance throughout OWL has been a catastrophy. “WHY IS D.VA NOT GETTING PLAYED HUH”…
And if you do not have any meaningfull stats that back up her poor stance for more than this meta change or pros and coaches agreeing she needs buffs badly, then i am just gonna dip out here, throughout the last 10 post you have done nothing but waste time on what the currently very problematic Tank role situation has done to D.va and now you are demanding just buffing multiple aspects of that role, when huge changes are incoming, it is pathetic.
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attempting to call diamond “high rank” is a pretty big yikes lol. not even the people in diamond would consider it high rank. it should have no bearing on balance decisions.
Another thing that you just decided against all odds ?
I’m not the one saying “The Earth is flat” here.
No, her previous pickrate was due to the fact she lacked direct competition in her niche. Even then, she had the worst overall winrate in the game.
Sigma was that direct competition. That’s why D.Va immediately collapsed on his release.
They’re not stats, but misinterpretation of stats.
The stats themselves prove my point. Your interpretation tries to deny it.
“The Earth is flat because I can’t see its curvature” baasically.
It is high.
Master is top 3% but you also brushed that off anyway.
One. Winston. Zarya isn’t struggling as much, as Diamond/Master shows.
No, that means Diamond+.
She was. Before Sigma was released.
Only in Bronze/Silver. Where people play heroes they like. And D.Va is a popular hero.
Is Junkrat fine because he’s played there a lot as well ? I should go tell the Junkrat mains.
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Hello ?
It’s equal for every role, 2-2-2. A third for each.
And even then you can just, add each DPS heroes pickrates, then divide Tracer’s by the result of that addition.
I’m not sure what you’re trying to link to since your link is broken.
But Moth Meta started when Mercy was reworked, in Sept 2017. And the more you advance in OWL S1, the more Mercy gets nerfed.
So, no, Widow’s pickrate isn’t due to Mercy.
And her overall pickrate over the season is higher than what you said.
So, not during Dive.
No, it’s an insult. You use insults because you’re losing the argument. You’re losing the argument because you’re wrong.
TriTank, during Dive on ladder (where Dive wasn’t played as much), GOATS.
They’re both Dive tanks.
But since D.Va has never been viable when Hammond was, they weren’t actually played together.
D.Va by her kit can synergize with any tank.
Oh sorry, did I hurt your beliefs ? That explains why what you say doesn’t follow reality.
In Bronze/Silver.
Is Junkrat a good hero too ? I should go mention that to Junk mains, twice.
Because Dive wasn’t dominating on ladder. It never dominated ladder.
I remember Jeff K. doing a post about that.
They are less numerous than the people who agreed. Those didn’t leave a comment, they left a like.
You didn’t prove anything.
You literally just said “XQC said that” and “That is D.Va too!” with no sensible argument to even prove that “that” is true or link the two.
D.Va’s win/pickrate tanked in Gold to GM.
In Gold to Master, Orisa/Sigma aren’t played as much as in GM, yet D.Va is still bad.
My stats proved my point: D.Va is trash. They certainly didn’t prove yours.
What tank buffs ? D.Va was trash ever since she was nerfed. And no tank reveived buffs in the meantime. Only Sigma was released, and he took every niche left for her. It was easy, she’s trash after all.
I don’t care about OWL. I care about ladder. Why is D.Va not getting played ? Well, looking at stats, it isn’t Orisa/Sigma’s fault.
Every stat does just that.
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I’m just a bit surprised that no one saw the constant decline on Dvas overall stats after every nerf. How can anyone argue the nerfs didn’t help cause this?
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Cause some of the supporters of this belief themselves showcased how her last nerf put her at 5-2.5% pickrate per rank before, after sigma and Orisa, she is now at 1-0.2%, So what do you think had the bigger effect, when you look at those stats ? And should we just hand a previously very notoriously unbalanced character multiple buffs, because she isn´t played and winnning against OP Tanks as a plaster ? Or should we fix them first and she what happens to D.va again.
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D.va’s problem is that she is the third tank. That’s the role she filled often (except during dive).
Now without the triple tank she is kinda pointless.
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Exactly her most viable strat hasn´t been a viable strat for years sadly. Dive.
Gotta love people who choose to try and argue that the hero with some of the worst stats in the history of the game is fine.
You’re not fooling anyone, it’s obvious you just don’t want a hero you dislike to be viable.
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I just want to see how she is going to be after the next patch. If she is still bad then she will need major buff. If she becomes strong I will admit my mistake.
It can’t be both? Before Sigma released I remember her being middle of the pack on ladder, then after the nerfs constantly dropping. I will be back later with some stats, first I gotta work on an essay.