D.Va is absolutely overnerfed

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I’d love to see where Dva’s pathetic guns and micromissiles can even make a dent in any of these characters before she’s melted or frozen to oblivion, but go on.

Dva cannot win even if she avoids them forever and tries to tickle them from afar, but her tickle guns are no good outside her optimal range if all her enemies can simply juke behind walls to regen HP if dva does nothing but pepper them from 20 meters away. They have shields or self-regen, dva doesn’t and will always beat dva in battle of attirition.

And at dva’s optimal range, you cannot fool yourself into thinking her bad burst does anything to Zarya who can bubble it for free damage and destroy her, mei can icewall dva’s approach and freeze the dva indefinitely from thereon forward and iceblock to get more hp if she ever needs it and even symmetra can just bunker up and melt dva very easily if she jukes the missile approach. In 2 cases Dva doesn’t even have hopes of getting away if she tries to get close because of slows. None of their beams can be blocked by matrix.

No dva in OWL either has ever tried to take on Zarya, Mei or Sombra on their lonesome because they know they would just lose and feed. Zarya frequently lasors dva into oblivion and they have to run far away of they don’t want to get demeched. Sombra’s frequently keep hacking dva’s because it’s very easy and she makes fantastic ulti charge when she cant fly off or matrix and can at most shoo sombra off. When it comes to other top 500 players and streamers, I’ve yet to see Fitzy’s sombra nor mei ever get run over by dva, meanwhile he keeps hacking and freezing all the dva’s and bullies them since dva really can’t do anything to sombra or mei and each time I really feel sorry for the enemy dva for even choosing a dva versus Fitzy. They truly just become helpless.

Any Dva player worth their salt will avoid Zarya, Sombra and Mei like plague because they make dva feed massively, easily demech her and lose them game and the only way for dva to take them down is for them to already be at low hp, which any character could really do.

Your ignorance of the game is painful to read. But then again, last time you played dva was over a year ago when she still had good micromissiles. You keep proving that you really know nothing.

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You forgot to include the the armor nerfs which hit dva the hardest

You also forgot to include the increased visuals on DM

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just rework her as a dps and get rid of that mech, Blizzard don’t like her as tank anyway

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At this point the only thing I think they like about D.Va is the money making potential she has.

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Instead of giving a “why” you proceed to just “attack” the one making the argument, ok.

Zarya and Mei are not a counter like Sombra is to Doomfist, their mere existence won’t remove you from the game, but they also won’t allow you to move freely as you can when they are not being played.
In a match where there’s a Mei or Zarya, you can’t be the front line because you’re vulnerable to both of them and in Mei’s case she just turns you into a static target with you being literally unable to do anything about it, In Zarya’s case it actually depends on the team, is your team actually decent, do they pay attention to bubble CD ? them Zarya will sit bellow 40% energy and won’t be that much of a threat, do they spam damage all around and Zarya is always above 80% energy ? you can’t be in front of her for 3 full seconds literally.

Both this heroes are not a “i’m here, you either switch or lose” situation, but both of them require you to lean even more on your team to actually do something, in this case, you either have a Zarya of your own to help with them, or a Rein/Orisa so they can’t get to you that easily, in both cases, you’re not solo tanking.

I’m sorry, what ? D.Va has the best mobility ? Ok, let me get another hammster, mine died of laughter after reading that. Hammond is leaps and bounds ahed of D.va in mobility, not only he can go much faster, much higher and farther, but he also has way more enviromental kill pressure with his knock back and more kill pressure in general with his combo.
Oh, btw, OW is dead on my region, literally, i sat for 45 minutes on ranked Queu and got nothing, not surprising given QuickPlay is populated by the same 25 people all the time, but back when i could play ranked, i played within the 3900-4100 SR literally only playing D.va ( and Orisa when it was 2 CP maps on defense)
When you can get yourself out of low Diamond and actually call people bad.

Oh, all the heores get booped, but not all of them have a weapon that is only usefull at point blank, if you knock back a Hammond he still has decent damage on his miniguns, if you Knockback a Doomfist he still can jump back on you again, you can barely do anything about Winston’s jump most of the time because he shields himself before he gets close enough to be booped.
No, Lucio’s boop is not OP (nor the only knockback in the game) but the fact of the matter is, D.va is literally only able to fight at point-blank, and anyone with a knockback and literally deny her booster 100% as most of them knock you back almost literally back to where you started.
By the way, is this your idea ? trying to blow things out of proportion to make it look ridiculous so you can sound like you’re in the right ? childish.

Yeah, if you’re playing against lemmings, sure. This is not a 2D game like Worms, where you can only attack from the front or the back, you can come from any direction, why in hell would everyone be shooting from the same direction into D.va’s DM ? you canf lank, you can CC her as Roadhog and as Mei as soon as DM is brought UP, you can angle your Mei’s ult (given its barely visible) or even just freeze her and toss on your feet so it has no travel time, or better yet WAIT 2 F.ing SECONDS.

I gotta answer the meme though, and i saved it for last.

D.va can win almost any 1v1 ? maybe in hell, where you play with your low SR.

If you’re playing against any DPS player that doens’t panic when D.va’s coming, you’re dead before you can drop half his HP.

Soldier ? drop heals and A-D spam while firing basically without the need to aim because he can’t miss at that distace.

Ashe ? two aimed shots and she’s nearly half HP, she has the option to fly up to you with DM up, but them as soon as she gets there all you have to do is buckshot away and demech her.

McCree? Flashbang McCleftlick

Genji ? she can’t even engage you properly given your dash is faster and you still have more mobility with wall climb.

Tracer ? D.Va’s cannon can barelly tickle you and you have 2 more dashes and a recal/heal over her, while you melt her mech with crits.

Doomfist ? punch into a wall and fire twice at her crit, done.

Sombra ? a-d strafe and fire at her mindlessly, if for some miracle she’s close to killing you, translocate, get back there with full HP and hack her first, even more one sided now.

Hanzo ? Jump back and use Storm arrow, she either turns back or loses the mech to all those fast arrow criting her down.

Junkrat ? mine away and shoot her, if she tries again, do the same because you actually have 2 mines.

Mei ? Literally freeze her, popsicle, Freeze, popsicle, so on.

I could go on for each character, but its anoying, so i’ll cut to the chase.

There are only 3 heroes that are free to go up against even if you suck, those being Winston, Zenyatta and Phara. The rest of the cast, especially when used by half decent players, can actually fight back on even ground, or even with advantage.

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I think one great change they did and it is still not enough is that now i can SEE the matrix and know when it is on. It was totally unnoticeable before!!!

I think nerfs for matrix are warranted and maybe not even enough, but with that i think that they should give her a bit more damage possibly? Maybe make her drop-off not as bad, i dont know.

Matrix changes though i like

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Based on this, we’d have to hardbuff tracer.
Unplayable for casuals.

And i dedicated enough time to say she’s not ez for a normal person.

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Based on what I know about overwatch:
Theres no meta, you don’t have to have a off tank in every team.

Ofc a good player sees the meta and knows what you need but as long as theres no meta you can run 6 dps or 6 supports as a valid comp.

Or run without a offtank. Or take the same offtank all the times. :sweat_smile:

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I feel bad for d.va mains unable to catch a projectile 5m later… :sweat_smile: It even gives you more time… But i guess dm runs out after the projectile reaches the 10m mark. :sweat_smile:

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Getting called ignorant isn’t an insult I don’t know where you studied but you need to check the dictionary.

Sombra isn’t a hard counter to Doomfist, Sombra put any character in danger when it gets hacked isn’t something related to Doomfist if you as DF get hacked you can still use your fists and with some luck make Sombra retread or get 1 shot in the face.

Since when D.va is supposed to be in front line? do you even play the game at all? if you are a casual who plays nothing but QP ( 150 hours of QP as D.va jesus christ what a waste of time ) then I can understand that you blindly try to engage people alone at point flank as D.va in 2019.

Did you know if Mei is freezing you the only thing you need to do is to move your mouse in 180 degrees so when you get frozen Mei is facing the butt of the mech instead of your critbox? No? then that’s why you believe a 0 range character like Mei hard counter D.va lmao, just watch how many OWL games MEI was picked to counter d.va (sarcasm)

Then again why are you in front of a Zarya? nobody above plat ( probably you are sitting between Bronze-Silver) sits in front of a half charged Zarya as D.va the point of being D.va as Zarya is to negate gravitation which before the nerf was extremely easy.

Ask yourself how many ultimates Hammond can eat or how many times he can save people from deadly shots, ups , none because he spends most of the time bouncing around.

Yeah nice excuse "4100 SR who plays QP exclusively and have 8 minutes in current season " tries to rank shame on me without knowing I have multiples account that have been reaching GM since season 1, funny thing you think GM is something that almost nobody can reach.

The rest I’m not even gonna bother.

I mean I even read some of “Tracer Counters D.va and Doomfist too”! yeah stay silver buddy, when you get out of silver/gold whatever your rank because those arguments aren’t from someone who have reach GM. Literally almost everyone in pro games OWL agrees that D.va in the past years have been ““OP””"and a mandatory character on almost every meta.

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Its dropping sooner than you think (likely this summer) and the balance work will be done after it drops, not before.

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You actually have NO Clue about the game. DF can use Fist while hacked ? i stopped reading at this point. I feel bad for you thar youre shaming yourself this hard.

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Sombra puts most characters in danger, but the more you rely on your abilities to function, the more vulnerable you become when hacked, McCree and Ashe doesn’t give a flying F if they’re hacked, on the other side of the spectrum Tracer and Doomfist literally just take their hands of the keyboard after getting hacked because its a death sentance. And please, if you’re basing your ridiculous assumption that you can fight a Sombra as a Hacked Doomfist on your terrible tracking with Sombra, remember that not everyone has problems aiming.

Tell me, how can you TANK SOLO when you’re sitting behind your team-mates ? how can you tank for your team if your shield last for 2 seconds ? other them body blocking ?

I dind’t say you should, but you said D.va can solo tank, so i went with it.

Did you know it doesn’t matter the direction you’re facing because if she freezes you, all she has to do is walk up to you and keep freezing you, because if she’s close enough to you, you can’t get out of range in time with boosters before being frozen again, and here’s a little fact, a big static target is not going to get ignored by Mei’s team.

First, the argument in this case is mobility, not who can do what, and in the mobility area, Hammond is light years in front of D.va.
But to answer you, Hammond can’t eat ults, but he can disrupt, force people to miss ults by displacing them, he doesn’t need to save people from deadly shoots by blocking because he already killed the sniper in the backline.
You can see for yourself, people are rejoicing Hammond being disabled in ranked because now they can play widowmaker or Hanzo.

Yeah, multiple accounts that reached GM, yet you’re hardstuck 10 hours of match time into the season, ok.

Yeah i’m probably Bronze/Silver, or as i said, the game is dead on my region and i can’t play anything but QP as there is no one to play anymore, not even arcade modes.

Since the forum doesn’t allow me to post hyperlinks, here it is:

http s://www.dropbox.com/sh/d0mcyvkxvdtfkpg/AABQ9rr-v5ksTi-i3ysb_nM1a?dl=0 (copy the link and put the https back together)

Screenshots from inside the game, you can even see my tag in one of them, anything else ?

Oh, and before you try this: Yeah, most of the time i would drop the game mid-season and go play something like LoL or R6 Siege, so my elo would decay until the season ended.

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This; just wait, i remember Brigette is balanced army before she took like 10 nerfs in a row.

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There’s nothing to wait and see. Her damage is abysmal, her armor is near non existent, she’s the easiest critbox to hit in the game. DM nerfs were too much.

Her old DM was better. Pro players could flash it and eat up all the ults, firestrikes, or anything that was offensive. Bad players held it down for the full duration and soaked up random stray bullets that might not have hit anything.

After all these nerfs you don’t have enough DM to block all the critical things you want anymore. So nerfing the range is just kicking a dog while it’s already down. The only thing that made DVA relevant in the latest metas are the other heros supporting her. If you want to nerf her nerf them or buff something that counters it.

This failed attempt at a top down balance change just ruins the hero for 99.9% of the population which plays her in an uncoordinated environment. Having heroes that can only be fun when you’re in an OWL match is stupid.

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its offensive to give a balnaced hero 6 nerfs in a row her win rate is so low that i dotn even play her in comp anymore

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shes actually balanced now lol

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Agreed. I like it myself. It’s easier to tell if I’m matrixing or still waiting for that darn cooldown. For some reason they made the shape very odd though and I agree it’s kind of ugly.

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thats why her win rate in master is below 50%

yep sounds balanced to me omega lolz

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Don’t bother answering to that one, that’s a known troll.

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