D.va and Tracer are basically the same

People don’t seem to understand the point I’m trying to bring across so I’ll add this quote for people who might fall into that category:

Yet Tracer gets a lot more hate and people want her nerfed while being fine with D.va overall.
They are both heroes that are only as effective as you make them, based on stats it can even be argued that Tracer is actually underperforming in most ranks.
Tracer has high mobility, high damage output, small hitbox and low health and a sustain ability on a high cooldown
D.va has high mobility, high damage output, big hitbox, high health and damage negation in the form of DM.

If you get pounced on by a D.va who uses both primary and missiles she will delete you without you really having a chance of doing much. Her having a big hitbox doesn’t matter because she will kill you before you can do enough damage, she also basically has a 2nd life.
Tracer at least gives you a fighting chance, she moves fast and is hard to hit sure, but she’s only going to be as good as the average player of the ELO, statistically speaking she’s going to be underperforming so you should have the advantage.

D.va after her DM rework has basically been S-tier. Reason being that she’s super versatile and basically is the hero that makes every hero work, without her most comps we know of would have big glaring weaknesses that would be way easier to exploit and countering the comps would be way easier.
She’s used to both make the comps work and to beat the comps, you basically almost want her. She simply does everything that you’d ever want from an off tank.

D.va has counters but just like Tracer she can outplay all of them. People think of Zarya as a counter to her but people pick D.va to DM Zarya’s gravs…
There are so many ways to play her that even when you have a hero like Zarya whose primary she can’t DM it doesn’t matter because she doesn’t have to be within the Zarya’s range.

People talk about how Pharmercy is a counter to GOATs but in the pro scene, the comp has evolved where Zen is used which means a Pharah can be discorded and deleted by D.va. Nothing else is required to deal with her.

D.va by far has an easier time playing around and outplaying her “counters” compared to Tracer. Tracer can avoid Brig’s Bash but when that Rally armor makes everyone a tank and basically cuts her damage in half, the TTK alone makes it not worth playing her.

There has been a couple of threads about how Brigitte got overnerfed and the impending Tracerpocalypse (within just a couple of days of the changes). But here are the statistical facts.
If you go to Overbuff now and look at this month, Tracer barely even has a 50% winrate in Diamond and Master. A top 10% player on average barely wins 50% of their games, that is insane. You have to be a top 1% player just to have a somewhat decent winrate on her.

If you go look at her winrates for this week like some Brig players have been doing then Tracer’s winrates have barely changed at all.

If you look at D.va her winrate already starts being positive in gold.

It is nothing but pure bias.

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What a ridiculous comparison. If you have an issue, here’s a tissue:

By the way, if she solo dives (suicides) someone on your team and somehow succeeds in that then she is pretty much stuck in your backline and will go down next unless your team can’t somehow burn down a flying Roadhog that has no cooldowns. PEBKAC :smile:

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D.va is nothing like Tracer.

She’s in the same situation as Rein

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And that’s when you know that you are playing with/against a feeder, good D.va players will make sure that they can actually get to a good position when they are done, just like good Rein players will pin someone into a place where they want to be and not just the enemy spawn.

Not at all, Rein is very meta dependant. He only works in metas/maps where it’s very deathbally. D.va however works in every comp/strategy as she’s both an enabler and the disabler of them.

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Ah, so the witchhunt really has locked sites on D.Va now, eh?

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So you’re just getting outplayed and punished for bad positioning and poor teamwork, thus another character has to be burned at the stake.

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I’m only explaining the hypocrisy. If you think Tracer is too much and needs to be nerfed then you should think the same about D.va.

read above.

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They both have annoying af voicelines and I’ve rarely met a nice person that plays them :thinking:

Just a thought :man_shrugging:

D.va gets melted by Zarya. Tracer’s design gives her the best chance at living through her intended counters.

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You clearly didn’t read the OP.

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You said d.va can outplay her counters. Put her against a zarya and she’ll lose.

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I also said this, this might not apply to your rank but the better they get the less counterable she becomes.

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but have you considered: Dva is on the left side of the screen so she’s a saint, and Tracer is in the middle section (aka literally Hitler but worse)

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Tracer can 1 clip you. Guess… technically D.Va can 1 clip you but only cos she never reloads. She’s had damage nerfs, if your teammate has any healing they should be fine.

Tracer can 1 clip an enemy before you can do anything. Plus, she can zip in out of nowhere and disappear right after. You see D.Va coming a mile away, and she’s there to stay for another 6 seconds with her big juicy hitbox.

D.Va has more trouble chasing people down cos of her reduced movement while firing too, anyone with mobility can just get some distance on her and there’s nothing she can do until she has her boosters back, while Tracer can just blink after them.

I’m not calling for Tracer nerfs, but comparing the two is ridiculous.

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You’re right, they do. In ladder. Which also ends up feeding Zarya ult charge to get more gravs that game then they normally would.

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Reinhardt and Mei are basically the same…

Tracer is made to escape death and has a more forgiving design for that purpose (small hitbox included). She doesn’t need a nerf either even if she is the most annoying character in this game. And you’re comparing apples to oranges, so how can there even be hypocrisy.

Roadhog and Symmetra are basically the same…

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Don’t forget ana and mercy.

> D.Va
> Not complained about.

Dude, have you been in a coma the past 2 years?

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