Crusader OFFLINE! (The story of how Reinhardt's Shield was chipped away)

General Discussion
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Don’t have such a big ego. You are not “everyone”.

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I have noticed Reinhardt has been suffering lately, but more in regard to charge kills. However, I guess I do have to regent my shield a lot more than I used to, now that you mention it.

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People these days can’t even remember what they had for lunch yesterday, I don’t expect them to remember the pattern of Overwatch changes, but when I see so many factually wrong statements/arguments on here, I have to assume players are not doing their homework when they post.

Which is why I listed how Reinhardt was effected chronologically with these patch changes/updates.

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I am sad to say, but I am getting close to being done. With the new Sombra changes, the game keeps shifting towards not being able to play your character. There is little fun in it sadly, and if this is the path of the game, than I will find something else to spend my time on.

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I mean… he is. He’s the second most popular tank overall across all tiers, and at worst he’s middle of the pack.

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Personally I feel he either needs some regen on the shield when its not attacked for a time or it needs to recharge faster after putting it away because when the enemy team actually focus it, the thing feels like paper these days and takes much too long to charge back up to hold the chokes.

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bcs orisa is boring to death

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He’s second most popular because he’s the only tank that does what he does, and people happen to like what he does. Just because he fills a niche doesn’t mean he fills it well.

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Not a mention of Soldier’s damage buff? From 17 to 20, and then to 19.

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In good faith, I did edit November 15th, 2016 to include this. Nevertheless, it still contributes toward damage creep that is the thesis of my argument on how Reinhardt shield has suffered when you add it all up.

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While I have little to no experience with Reinhardt in comp (cause lets face it, I find him a more “simple to pick up but hard to master hero”), but I can definitely agree with the fact that the changes that happen all around Rein have not been doing him any favours. I’ve always preferred Orisa when it came to tanking, as not only could I protect my team with a shield, but it isn’t a limitation of my actions like Rein is (this is my opinion, of course); but I am not ignorant of how Orisa now shares the limelight of being titled “anchor tank”.

Referring to Overbuff, you can see that Rein is the 4th most picked hero in comp, with him being the 6th highest win rate in game; but popularity doesn’t mean he’s not having trouble being meta, as referring to WinstonsLab with pick rates on Rein, he is now the 16th most picked hero, which is also the 5th most picked tank (just behind Zarya).

I don’t know if this is a direct correlation of dive meta being prevalent, but with Brigitte being a general consensus to the answer to dive, we should see Rein pair well with her, which in turn making Rein more viable.

P.S. but if Brigitte doesn’t work, maybe make his shield healing start at 1.5 seconds as opposed to 2 seconds so he can have it up faster to keep her up with Orisa.

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you’re in the minority here on this thread, buck-o.

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Now we wait and see if a community favorite forum goer can make change with his feedback where the thousands of other people cannot. You make great points and I’ve been arguing that all the damage added to the game warrants a shield hp buff ever since D.Va first got micro missiles, but… I don’t think we’re gonna get that any time soon.

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Sombra’s hack needs to be addressed. It comes too often to be this powerful and consistent for an auto aim ability. Either the cooldown needs to be increased or the speed needs to be increased. Increased hack time wouldn’t even be that big of deal though. The fact that her spread was reduced making her a consistent dps means she can actually take advantage of her hacks and her ult unlike before.

Also Reinhardt’s shield should start regenerating as soon as it is brought down. There should be a 6 second cooldown once it is destroyed as is current. This would help even him out. I also believe his cast time for Fire Strike should be reduced.

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While i would love a similar mechanik on Reinhardt, just imagine him slamming his giant shield into someone. That would probably realy hurt and/or look weird.

Maybe just being able to hold up his Shield during Charge to transform him into a giant Snowplow.
Would love to see that!

After playing alot of Brig, i did find myself on Rein and pressed m1 for a dash. Or atleast some kind of mobility to reposition himself whilst protecting his team, that what everyone says he is able to and orisa is not. One could simply use this concept and give him something to be what the Animated short showed us.

There also were so many good Ideas for him in all the time i watched the forums, from Reinforcing his barrier with his Charge-cooldown to be viable against high damage teamcomps to not being able to walk through his barrier.
We can only hope the Dev´s see stuff like this and implement it into the game. Or even get new Ideas out of it. Sadly there is so much junk here that it is hard to keep reading after some time.

Some blue in this thread wont be wrong to start with either :wink:

Keeping this thread alive is the on of the first steps in a long jurney to have awesome protective Tanks too!
They have done a great job at making supports fun for alot of people already.

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Crazy thing is, people are forgetting that we ALSO play Orisa and we love her too. We only bring this topic up out of genuine concern for the state of BOTH anchor tanks. I’m so sick of people saying, “You’re a Reinhardt main ofc you’re bias”.

How the hell can you even start a discussion with THAT? I play ALL the tanks, and care about the entire game ands it’s longevity. This community frightens me sometimes.

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I do hope when Briggette comes out, Rienhardt will get more attention.

Wouldn’t it be epic to see those two together all the time😁

Go to see you RichC😎

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I’ve been playing a fair bit of Reinhardt so far this season and honestly Sombra is the biggest problem I have with her fast hack speed, but a switch to Winston, or some coordination usually makes her less of a pain. It’s really only my real complain as I’m really starting to get a deeper understanding for the game, and watching pro Reinhardt play really helps enforce that.

So what is my opinion on the matter? Rein is very good as is, and will likely be even better once Brigitte is added to the live servers. Sombra, Tracer and cheese comps are his counters, which helps balance him out.

Reinhardt’s current stance is similar to that of Winston’s where a small change and other changes around him have catapulted him to being a very solid pick.

Once teflon armor is patched out and all Earthshatter bugs are sorted out. I don’t see any other needed changes for Rein, now would be a very optimal time to pick him up into your hero pool.

Further advise for Rein players, try learning all the basics for the other tanks, especially Dva’s DM management, after a bit of learning when to block, and how to create space without tunnel visioning or needlessly keeping your shield up, Reinhardt will feel alot more empowering and engaging. Also you need heavy discipline when it comes to using charge, it is a very high risk high reward ability at this time, use it wisely.

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Exactly. While Reinhardt is, and always will be, my favorite, I do play all of the tanks extensively and simply wish to see them be truly balanced. In fact, I even mained Winston in season 8 because of the poor state of the anchor tanks, specifically Reinhardt.

After lots of play-testing, theory-crafting, brain-storming, and video watching, I’ve come to grips with the idea that I do not think Brigette will resurrect Reinhardt’s pick-rate much. I don’t think she is underpowered or anything, I just think she is somewhat niche, and will only be played on maps where Reinhardt is already being played (i.e. King’s row and Lijiang: Control Center).

The reason Reinhardt has so many troubles is that the heroes around him keep getting more and more effective at countering him through balance patches while he stays the same. His shield up-time is horrendous in comparison to Orisa’s and he cannot even contribute to the shield war directly. The other reason he isn’t picked is because he cannot contest the high ground, but that is an intended weakness that I think we’re probably all fine with.

Anyway, the point is we are TANK players, not Rein-only players, and we simply wish to see him be more in line with the other tanks. Why is that too much to ask for?

(P.S. Sombra will be the death of him this season).

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This pretty much sums up how I feel. I wanted to hold off all Criticism until the new hero was released, but I feel the same way you do, I don’t see our beloved hero 27 Briggy making him stand toe to toe with Orisa. In fact, it will be better to bring Orisa because an enemy Briggy can shield bash you, and shield bash/interrupt your earthshatter resulting in a complete loss. Orisa doesn’t have this problem.

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