Pharah Counters Junkrat, Reinhardt, Doomfist and ruins Matches for all Projctile Heroes.
Pharah gets Countered by Hit-Scan, which are everywhere.
Symmetra, Winston and Moira can counter Genji to some extent, Winston being the most obvious choice IMO.
Sombra used to Counter WreckingBall and Doomfist, now she doesn’t really, she just inconveniences them, which she does with every Hero.
Overwatch 2 will never get rid of Hard Counters, as long as there’re Kits designed specifically to be a hindrance to other Kits.
And personally, I think they should lean more into this. People should know multiple Heroes, One-Tricking a Genji is basically Throwing if the Enemy wises-up and switches to even a Torbjorn.
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Counters are okay, hard counters on the other hand are extremely unhealthy for the balance of the game. The most obvious of them is Kirikos cleanse against antiheal.
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Erm, no.
Kiriko’s Cleanse is not a Hard Counter because it has a longer Cool-Down and can be Baited. If it was a Hard Counter, you could throw it at Ana and it would completly Disable Biotic Grenade for 20 or so Seconds, plenty of time for the Cool-Down to end.
It’s a Soft Counter. By your Definition, Zarya’s Bubbles could be considered a Hard Counter too.
You forget that Queen too has anti heal and Kiriko can negate it with pressing E. So can Ana negate a Zen ult by pressing E.
Again, you should Bait Suzu before using Rampage.
Yes, Suzu is Overtuned and Junker Queen’s Ultimate is situational at best, but it’s still not a Hard Counter.
I Suzu made you permently Immune to all Debuffs for several Seconds, enough time to get another Suzu, then it’d be a Hard Counter.
yes it won’t. That is exactly why they should have made an actual new game instead of recycling the old one that is fundametltally flawed.
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What an asinine take on the whole ordeal, regardless of the fact that OTPing isn’t a good idea
If Pharah counters Rein then she counters every tank other than d.Va (who is actually a Pharah counter herself) but in reality this is nonsense. There are almost no DPS who counter tanks so hard that they’re not better off focusing squishies instead; Reaper into Winston is probably the best counter-example.
Pharah gets Countered by Hit-Scan
Not a hard counter unless they’re a cracked Widow or you’re stacking hitscans. A single hitscan hero merely stops Pharah from getting easy value spamming rockets while flying in the open. Honestly Echo and d.Va are better one for one counters and neither are dependant on having solid aim.
Symmetra, Winston and Moira can counter Genji to some extent, Winston being the most obvious choice IMO.
Torb or Mei are better counters than any of these and a good Genji can deal with both.
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Reinhardt can’t typically get in Range of Pharah. At least other Tanks can deal more reliable Chip Damage than a lucky Fire Strike. And D.Va can only really get in Pharah’s face with Defence Matrix. Killing a Pharah can be a little harder because you have to fly in whatever direction you’re looking at, meaning you have to keep turning to face the Pharah as you keep flying past her.
Plus I’d argue that Symmetra is fantastic against Tanks now, especially D.Va and sort of Orisa because they can’t block her Damage effectively. All D.Va can do is fly away and hope to Out-Range Symmetra with mere Shotguns. Orisa is just Soft-Countered though, because Symmetra needs to get close to her in the first place. That’s why I play a lot of Zarya, I treat her like a Tanky Symmetra.
I forgot Mei. Yes, she is a very good Genji Counter. Symmetra too because her Turrets can slow Genji and deal Chip Damage. Moira is very munevable and can either Fade before Genji can kill her, or can chase him down with her Damaging Cone and Luck Orbs. Same thing with Winston. Plus Torbjorn’s Turret has a much larger Range than Symmetra’s and 100% Accuracy is really good on primarily Mobility-Focused Characters.
And also, yeah, the Hit-Scan thing is admitedly only a Soft Counter.
lol. only soft counters are fine. like winston vs genji… pharah is a hardcounter and should be reworked.
hitscans soft counters pharha but pharah hardcounters reaper, sym, jjunk and many other heros
Yeah, Pharah is just a Cancerous Stain TBH, she Counters several Tanks too.
What if she could only Hover? No Jump Jets, just a slow Hovering Incline?
Until they don’t when they remove everything from the game lol.
Reinhardt can’t typically get in Range of Pharah.
Reinhardt is a melee hero who can’t typically get in range of anything willing to kite him, but if he is forcing the enemy to give up space he’s doing his job. The closest DPS counter to Rein is not Pharah, but Bastion because he can put so much ranged pressure on him, and maybe Sym if she spaces well and can play around charge. Since she either gets free charge of his shield, or he has to face-tank her beam and whatever other damage is coming his way.
Pharah doesn’t do this. Sure she can poke him with impunity forever and always escape him, but so can Baptiste, Sojourn, Echo, Genji, etc.
And D.Va can only really get in Pharah’s face with Defence Matrix
Trust me d.Va is the one tank most likely to kill Pharah, even force them to swap. In addition to being the most threatening tank to Pharah she can also peel for squishies with DM if they’re being dive-bombed and eat rocket spam to get people through choke points.
Plus I’d argue that Symmetra is fantastic against Tanks now
Barrier tanks to some extent, Rein even more so, because they can feed her free charge, but Sym’s ability to roll tanks all depends on her getting high-charge, and Sym with high charge rolls most things. Like if you let her get charge you’ve been outplayed. It’s like saying Reaper counters all squishies because he can if they’re in melee range. It’s true but why are you letting Reaper get in melee range in the first place? Being out-played =/= Being countered.