It’s an analogy. I’m not equating the two.
An age bracket in traditional, youth sports is like the skill tiers in OW.
But they aren’t even alike. An age bracket has zero correlation to skill. And in any case, OW allows by definition 3 separate skill brackets to queue with each other voluntarily. An age bracket does not.
Account sharing is also against blizzard’s TOS.
True, and?
I was not talking about allowed or not.
It’s kind of funny that you see throwing being a problem while with smurfing it’s all good. But they are basically the same issue, only in opposition: having throwers in your team is frustrating, same goes for having smurfs (I, for once, dislike having smurfs in my team as much as I dislike having them in the opposite team)
Except if they score from their court while you’re not watching and the ball will automagically appear on their hands all the time. If you’re lucky (lucky, not skillful!) you might touch the ball every now and then and score a couple of points.
Absolutely agree, those “havefunners” are so mistaken to came to this game.
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So being grand master and throwing a couple of matches but destroying some others on low elos is " to be competitive" ??? thats what you are saying???
Imagine, there is no ranks, what u gonna do? Cry? Stop play? Yes you will. And I gonna have fun, because I am able to play at any rank. That’s why you should say “he is better” when u meet the smurf, but shouldn’t be like like “smurf ruining my game” Gitgud don’t complain. It is your weakness it is your shame and not something that u can talk about w/o shame. The main target of this game is be the best player. You might say main point of game to have fun, but u’re wrong, just because you can’t have fun if u suck at the game against other better players.
You aren’t getting the point, do you know. I’ve got no horse in this race so it isn’t personal. But it isn’t about age, it’s about cheating.
The real point is that info Blizzard was running the little league, they would say basically that they don’t see a problem with Major League Baseball players playing in little league during their off time for fun.
This whole thing gets a lot easier if you realize the only real competition mode is the OWL and the rest of us are just playing a regular game on the internet.
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Maybe we can do them in different languages 
I’m sorry sir but you and I will have to agree to disagree on what cheating is.
Yup you all are right… smurfs make the game better. That is why OW is the only online game I have played with 66% of all matches being a complete stomp by one side or the other. The other 33% being somewhat even.
Never had anything like this in CoD or WoW or FFXIV(and their pvp sucks) or Destiny or… The only time I saw anything like what we have here was in Battlefield and only with bad server admins stacking teams in their favor which actually looks a lot like OW matches.
So our options are the matchmaker is putting together bad matches all the time on purpose, the match maker is totally broken and just happens to make bad matches a lot, or the match maker is being gamed constantly be trolls, throwers, smurfs and cheaters (ordered by rate that I see them).
I got a pretty good idea which one of those three is right.
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The in-game reporting system defines cheating as anything that gives an unfair advantage.
A typically high SR player on a lower SR smurf/alt/whatever account inarguably has an unfair advantage over players that have only ever been those lower SRs, ergo they’re cheating.
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It is when they’re playing in a rank where they shouldn’t be given their usual rank.
Higher tier game sense, experience, strategy, and skill that the lower tier players have never had because they’re lower tier.
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“Smurfs” in Diamond are just alts that are playing ranking up again on a 1-trick or an off-role. Only when you face GM “smurfs” playing their main role (the one they got to GM on) are you actually facing the kind of beating that smurfs from Plat/Diamond are capable of giving to Bronze/Silver where they have thrown down to.
“Smurfs” in Diamond also aren’t throwing games, they’re just playing an off-role. A smurf in Bronze has to regularly throw games to stay low ranked (or as someone pointed out, trade off his account with a genuine Bronze player from time to time).
Also, they don’t just stomp you. They might pick one player and kill them repeatedly, or they spawn camp, or they just go Widow. They have their own fun in various ways that mostly involve kill count and not getting anywhere near the objective (because if they win they have to throw again, and their high kill count is already going to give them a chance of winning).
You can’t learn anything playing against them because they aren’t playing naturally or playing to win, they are positioning in ways that would be absolutely terrible in a normal game, but that they can get away with because of superior mechanics. If you’re in Bronze (or Silver) you should already know that your mechanics need work, you don’t need a beat-down from a smurf to learn that, and you won’t be able to practice those mechanics in the spawn room.
Most of them are plat, a good chunk are diamond, a few have been to Master but not many of those can stably stay there. Frustration with their own rank is a large motivator for Bronze-resident smurfs. Silvers and Golds generally don’t smurf because a) the skill gap isn’t big enough and b) they still believe they can climb higher. There are some, of course, they’re just uncommon. And anyone might smurf from any rank to any lower rank if it’s to play with friends, of course.
It’s not an excuse, and its easy to understand. They are positioning very aggressively, taking advantage of poor focus fire and their personal mechanical ability, and freely killing whoever they want.
Then we win the game anyway because after going 40-0 in the first 4 minutes of the game they mysteriously lose all ability to aim and/or simply disappear somewhere far away from the objective so that they don’t have to derank.
Also if you can get behind them you can often kill them because they can’t hear anything over the music that they have cranked up while they smoke a bowl. After frustration with your rank, being able to dominate games while getting smashed is probably the next greatest motivator for Bronze-resident smurfs. (note: I do not guarantee that any given smurf is engaging in this behavior, and if you sneak up behind one and it turns out they are listening, that’s the risk you take.)
master/GM smurfs in bronze are almost exclusively pro boosters, and very few of them are GM (at least not legitimately, they may also use cheats). They don’t spend much time in Bronze though because they are being paid to quickly rank up the people they team with. You can sometimes beat their team by killing the wood they are carrying, but not usually; they’re getting paid to do this for a reason, after all. Since they are quickly and deliberately climbing, however, you won’t usually see them a second time so it really is just one match.
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But but but it’s like if a pro player showed up at the local basketball court! Lol
The difference is masters players have to play against actual pros so I have no sympathy for a gold player who has to play against plat smurfs who are like 5% better
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In case you weren’t aware people constantly stream high level gameplay on every hero in the game. You get to watch it 100% of the time from their direct viewpoint often with real time commentary on their thought process and decision making. Pretending that seeing half your team get head shot every fight is an unrivalled learning experience is just stupid. There are many better sources from much much better players than hard stuck masters who play high aim requirement heroes. If you’re mechanically completely outclassed you’re not learning much that you can actually introduce into your gameplay - and you’re certainly learning less than you would watching that player stream. And you would learn less from watching that player stream than you would from watching an even better player at that hero stream.
Like how do people write stuff like this without face palming. There’s no competitive spirit in sandbagging.
As someone who couldn’t care less if I hit diamond or stay in plat and who plays to have fun competitive games - huge skill differentials lead to worse less competitive games that muddy the system. They also don’t offer anything you can’t gladly expose yourself too.
That’s basically just made up nonsense. I was long enough in gold/plat to know that it makes almost no difference in what elo you’re in, you’ll get smurfs and alt accounts you gotta pass in order to climb.
Not a single plat can even stay in bronze.
And you’re that dude that keeps running into it or are you trying to shut him down / playing winston for instance ?
good that bronze is the only rank where people cheat.
Yeah sure but then again, have you tried playing widow against him or, if it doesnt work, diving him as monkey ? I don’t think theres a whole team to back him up on bronze/silver so you should be able to do stuff as a tank.
Yeah maybe i took the wrong attempt. I should probably do what most of the people at your rank do and open a new thread every 3 days about how unfair smurfs/alt accounts are and that there are so many thrower when, in fact, i could just look for the options i have to take the best out of it.
Oh wait … that’s what i did and it works great for me :o
I mean it’s as easy as this: This game is Soloq, you get matched up with randoms and this system obviously has problems. Now, you can try and complain about it all you want or try and live with it & make the best out of it. It’s on you and i honestly couldn’t care less.
Lol… apparently “cheating” is defined as being better than someone else.
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Purposefully exploiting the system to be inappropriately placed, and then throwing games ‘quietly’ to de-rank is cheating the system. It’s cheating. It should be bannable.
Complaining about playing against smurfs is … what? What’s wrong with complaining about wanting to play with players of similar skill level only to be put with a plat or diamond smurf on the enemy team? I shouldn’t complain about MMR being a joke or complain about people who exploit a system in order to be purposefully put into the wrong rank? Interesting. I thought I was trying to climb and not have my team decimated by one player with 94 eliminations and 87% accuracy.
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