Hey guys, do you feel like Blizzard should implement a hard MMR reset every 5th season or so, the amount of seasons could be lowered as Blizzard see fit
Every 100 days or so (like 2-3 times a year). Competitive is competitive. No parking accounts, no anchor stats, no grandfathered ranks and opponent expectations. You compete in an unrigged system and work your way back to your rank. If the SR metric is fit-for-purpose, the grind shouldnât be THAT long (2-3 weeks and youâre back to where you were).
The importance of resets is to remix the active population for relevancy and recency. Metas change, players come and go, accounts hold onto ârottenâ SR and the integrity creeps away. Resets also solve non-transitive effects, like inadvertent wintrading back/forth for the tail ends (sparse lowpop) areas of the ladder. Resets also fix runaway effects and smooth out splay/gaps (silvers and plats in the same game).
Remember - itâs far more important to be at the correct rank order (your place on the list or rung on the ladder) then it is to measure exactly the gaps between those rungs. Silver in plat match may as well be low gold with high gold if they are literally the only available nearest neighbours.
Active resets are a very healthy thing for competition. If youâre trying to protect casuals and give them fake ranks fake pixels and rig the ladder into a sham for content creators and what notâŚthen by all means never reset. But if you value esports and fairplay ethics you need the frequent recalibration that a reset offers.
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Nope. Would be terrible.
Imagine all the cry babies complaining sbout smurfs⌠Well how about they legit go up against actual GM players for 20 gamesâŚ
Theyâll soon have something to cry about lol
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It would have saved over a hundred gamez I ruined both ways⌠So, sure. It is a good idea.
Why people are against more accurate ratings is beyond me, my theory is they understand they are boosted and donât want to lose their rank. Lul.
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Can you back that up with some kind of calculation? Or are you just spewing echo chamber stuffs that the GM gamers circle back and forth in their discords because well, they have a vested interest NOT to be reset, and play the game instead of doing math.
Itâs this. The rich are always afraid of losing their riches to some hungries who have been kept low by a broken rigged system. No way a GM is destroying bronze matches more than a handful of times (which we have already currently, with nightly GM smurfstacks ruining bronze matches).
If the reset is done properly, placements will sieve the vulnerables away from the predators VERY quickly. Within a few games, youâre having winners play winners in a kind of winners bracket that projects you out into diamond somewhere. Vice-versa for the bronze/silvers.
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You are resetting MMR.
So everyone will be at zeroâŚ
Anyone could be in your games. . You figure it out.
Old players would just return to stomp noobs legitimately becasue everyone would be the same rank to start
MMR reset sounds snazzy on paper. Like hero bans and many other ideas⌠but in reality, using a little logic, there is a reason they havenât done it⌠because it would be really dumb
But receipts⌠id prefer not to discuss with you, you are a conspiracy theorist that thinks the game is rigged. . All because you donât understand patents lol.
I wouldnât discuss traffic laws with a 5 year oldâŚ
For the first game, yes. People are randomly and naively thrown into a match, with a GM having a 1% chance of being drawn from the population and a bronze a 7% chance. But the winners of that first placement fight other winners of their first placement, and so on. So the chances of a GMs encountering bronzes just goes down exponentially.
You donât get these claims of ârepeated disruptionâ, âchaos for monthsâ or anything else we currently see every day on no-rest live (years and years of it). You donât get that with a reset because itâs just not statistically possible. The mixing in and of itself minimizes the trajectory disruption for the maximum number of people.
They donât do it because of player perception and GM/content discord groupthink. They donât do it for psychological and content clickbait reasons. But ladder reset is very much an exercise in math. It works a lot like sorting algs, binary partition schemes, etc.
OkâŚso the rest of your argument is a character attack, uses no math/calcs to get technical, or explain your âlogicâ, and dismisses a working discussion on how to better the ladder for the majority of players. And you forget that my education, work experience and credentials totally qualify me to comment on ladder design and patents. Nice. No wonder there isnât any progress.
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what is the difference between an mmr reset and a sr one. they both always confused me
While I could agree to this for your main roles⌠resetting the mmr of everyoneâs off-roles would be an absolute nightmare that would last for several months afterwardsâŚ
There are 4 categories here.
- MMR reset, no SR reset.
- SR reset, no MMR reset.
- Both MMR and SR reset.
- Neither MMR nor SR reset.
The only reset that actually matters is both/total reset of SR and MMR. But frankly, even that wonât matter after 100 days or so, because MMR rigging ruins ladder integrity just as much as no-resets and alts (of any kind) do. Adapting to hidden performance, cherry-picking teams, analyzing performance and match odds, rigging for 50/50 outcome expectation - i.e. rigging the game into a sham - is fundamentally wrong. So you canât really talk about resets and ladder integrity if youâre just going to maintain MMR rigging. Similarly, resets become somewhat moot after several weeks, if youâre going to let people compete on the ladder more than once.
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A hard MMR reset would not be a problem in the long term if they have a good matchmaking system, say a GM gets into a placement with Bronzes and drops 70 kills, he then gets matched with a similar individual who is doing their placements with those kill numbers.
In the long term, I can agree.
In the short to mid term it would be utter chaos and not worth the damage it does.
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I never said the game is rigged either so you are putting words into my mouth and smurfs wouldnât be a problem if it was a bannable offence or they had a better matchmaking system.
No not you. The strange âpersonâ that replied called reciepts. He is odd.
he is a <500sr player who thinks a reset is going to help him⌠lol
Before someone says âwould kill the gameâ thatâs just not true. Look at Fortnite-thereâs a hard reset in competitive and rumours that normal games mmr is reset as well every single season. Look at Fortnite on Twitch - 128.3k viewers during a period when some of the big names arenât even live. Meanwhile Overwatch has 16kâŚ
Oh right, my apologies
MMR should not be used itâs a terrible metric that is unfair and enables rigging.
In the edge-case 70 k/d elims GM example, that player converts a win, and goes into their next match against other players who also converted wins. They might have a diamond over there, and this time the GM only pulls 10 k/d because the competition has increase NATURALLY (i.e. without a hidden performance examination and adaptive teams for/against him i.e. rigging). The GM probably wins another game, but finally rolls into a placement facing winners of winners of winners vs. There he takes a close but unlucky loss but still had a good k/d, so you can accord him PBSR and match him with others who went: 1110*
Itâs quite easy to partition your player base into their seed SR for the current season using only win/loss strings like 1101011. Using the right combinatorial design, some of the matches are placebos and confirms (not sorts), and rightfully so. Note also the later placements rarely involve the GM vs. bronzes (more likely to get hit by lightning). And by like match 10 youâre already within 300sr of where you belong.
An MMR reset is one that letâs you place anywhere. An sr reset is one that puts you all the way back to bronze.
See below⌠He has already gone to rigging lol.
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SR/MMR reset puts everyone as new entrant with no data trail. Your MMR is the median your SR is the median. And since the fundamental assumption is that skill follows a symetric normal pdf, these medians are also the mean.
MMR really shouldnât exist tbh. Itâs not your payout metric, itâs not your rank metric. It exists only to rig matches (for 50/50 âfAiRnEsSâ or âBaLaNcEâ) - which is completely preposterous for a ladder - because rigging is literally the definition of anti-competitive and fake contest.