No matter how good you are, it’s seriously difficult, if not impossible, to carry a game. So the climb at some points is… well, rough and ignorant.
Solo queuing in this game really is a terrible feature because it prevents players, who are ready to progress or are growing, from actually progressing in rank if they have 1-2 people who are not progressing and throwing hard.
This has been my experience on this climb. I have seen amazing players who position right and have proper mechanics, but are held back by mainly 2 things.
Improper comp choices or not switching off to counter.
Their team. <— surprised?
But it is true. Anyone who has done a Bronze to Gm climb will see that you will lose games even if you basically try your hardest to carry. Even with games I have won, my team would not have won if I was not there to pull most of the weight. (But of course they don’t know my real rank.)
So yes. this experiment has taught me a lot about the low tiers and these claims of elo hell. I see where the illusion is coming from.
But lets talk a moment about the main issue here in “elo hell”. It’s not the team really holding any solo person back. It’s the fact that the system does not teach people of the mistakes they are making so that they can progress in skill. This is what actually holds everyone back. But to be fair, even if you are a top500, you wont win every game no matter how hard you try. Its just fact. Even in bronze/silver.
Another annoying think is the ignorant thinking and strats players have. There are so many faulty thinkings that it actually ends up hurting the players without them actually realizing it. This is a huge ordeal because they arnt even aware that their thinking is faulty. This causes bad positioning, bad predicting, ect ect.
Oh another thing. There are a lot of players who play support and think they have a “get out of jail free card”. Just because you play support, does not mean I don’t notice your awful choice making and improper use of your abilities and incorrect positioning. You got killed because… You. You flew in front of reins shield. It was not anyones responsibility to save you. I have seen a ton of supports not realize they throw games because they think all they have to do is hold a button and move around a little.
On a good day I can carry as plat in low to mid gold… it isn’t that hard.
You can carry. With some heroes it’s easier, with some it’s harder… but it’s always possible.
Main issue… you can have good aim and good positioning… but when you are hardcountered aim doesn’t help you (except you are playing faar below your actual skill rating).
Yes. Just carry. (lul)
Ofc you do. But that’s normal…
Do you have a proof? I can’t actually believe that it’s hard for a gm to carry in bronze… (unless ur a mercy main… [joke])
You can’t win every game, true. But learning is something you have to want. You always have to search for your mistakes on your own (or you can afford a coach…). I climbed out of “elo hell” by realizing my mistakes and correcting them.
A lot of pros say that you can play anything in the lower brackets and you will win as long as you are good with it… They just have to learn it.
I completely agree. I’m support main myself and I often see games of some my friends (silver / low gold) where they have to deal with very sh*tty supports that are thinking exactly that.
Overall I’m not entirely sure about the statement that it’s “seriously difficult, if not impossible, to carry a game” no matter how good you are. I don’t think that it’s the team that is holding the players back… But the other points were fine.
Good thing up until 3000sr you don’t need to carry to rank up. You just need to perform well. Hell, you don’t even need a positive win rate to rank up before 3000.
The main problem is it’s just boring. Even if you keep an above average win rate that a higher ranked player might have, aka 50-60% win rate. Your still looking at hundreds of games to rank up.
Lets say you start at the bottom, 500 sr or so. Earning on average 30-40 SR per win, and 25-30 Sr per loss means you need 25-34 straight wins to rank up. If you lose about half your games you can probably double that number.
That is quite a few matches even for people who win every one, let alone the occasional loss because of bad match ups, smurfs, throwers or really bad teams. There is a reason almost no one bothers with Bronze to GM runs any more and it’s not because Blizzard cracked hard down on the people with bans.
IT’s too boring and slow without win streaks to help/hurt your progress.
I have seen a ton of supports not realize they throw games because they think all they have to do is hold a button and move around a little.
[joke])