Roll queue is the real problem…not 5 v 5…just can the open queue and let us deal…
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Goats , 4 dps per team, double/triple shields, etc, etc.
No thanks. Hope all that garbage never comes back.
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In all honesty, so long as the player knows what they’re doing, I could care less what hero you pick: You’re a DPS Moira? Can you get kills? Yes? Okay then, try not to die as much, I’ll play around health packs or swap to better accommodate.
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The issue here is not about being good at getting kills or playing around whatever comp your team currently has. The issue is that any team chooses a “standard” comp with healers, tanks or a tank and a couple dps heroes, then that team automatically has an advantage to win.
Im not saying that any comp (even 5dps) cant win matches, but for the mot part a balance comp will win more than not.
Im a dps main. And i want supports and tanks backing me up, not making me work super hard , trying to play around health packs and not having space to actually shoot things.
Having several other dps players in my game takes that away from me, limits the sustain of the whole team with few to no healing, and also makes dps players die more quickly because when a tank is around, they are usually the focus of the fire, and that gives time and space for the dps players to do their thing.
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True, although, I feel like if the game was balanced more around every hero having a specific job to do, rather than everyone being viable in the case of 2-2-2, we probably would’ve seen better results for Open Queue.
Yeah bro let’s bring back goats 
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Hey mate, you’re mostly talking about sorting.
Like, you make a hero choice and then Blizzard sorts it.
Or maybe Blizzard have hundreds of choices/seconds and then sorts them.
@teachers, here is the sorting example.
They could have you pick a hero and the game would switch you to a correct game 
You payed once, years ago.
Not sure you can expect more support.
Maybe can you learn on your own.
MMR basic is not hard to understand.
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GOATS was never a problem for the game per se, as I understand things; rather, it was only a problem for OWL and more specifically to ticket sales dropping due to patrons bored with one GOATS vs GOATS match after another
GOATS isnt even a team composition that most players know of; and most of those who do know of it lack the communication and cooperation to pull it off
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Yeah that’s all fine and dandy, but with the new system where you’re stuck with these crappy healers or crappy tanks is just frustrating, knowing you can’t swap out because you’d be doing a much better job of it.
Ultimately 222 would be fine if we weren’t ALSO dealing with a giant loss of players, making the matchmaker give teammates and enemies that are just not well suited to you, either above or below your general skill level.
There’s nothing but frustration when you watch your Mercy die AGAIN because she dove for a res that she clearly couldn’t make because… ??? And you’re stuck in the Tank category with no one you can swap to that would be better suited for the situation, even though you know Soldier or Mei would be a great option to let you dish out damage and heal because your own healers are falling short.
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Do people not realise open queue is an option??? Its like right next to role queue in the comp screen. Not hard to miss it
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I wish the same were true in qp
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Play -> arcade -> quickplay classic
Youre welcome
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Role queue is a must in comp, and a waste of time in QP.
as i said, I wish there was a role-less queue qp game mode available side by side with 222 on the main game selection screen
also, qp classic is not the same as pre-222 qp or 222 qp aside from the queuing differences. they arent equivalent
millions of competitive matches have been played over the years in role-less queue mode
thousands of role-less queue matches are underway as I write this and as you read this
if 222 were a must, these matches could not be played at all
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And they were/still are a complete gamble. As a support main, I like to know im gonna be supporting with 1 other person and with 2 tanks on my team. I don’t need to waste 15 mins of my time playing in a game with 5 dps and 1 support (me).
Open queue is not as popular as role queue. I’d gladly sacrifice queue times over gambling on whether I’m gonna get a cooperative team or not. Idc about role queue in QP, that should have never been a thing no one asked for it but Blizzard being Blizzard had to go the entire way.
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Was just an example.
No way any junior is able to understand it.
Thats why OW got no real competitors.
And maybe because managing 200 devs along years is much harder than it sounds.
But what about letting juniors dream about it ;).
The tanks will be tweaked accordingly to make them better options to solo tank. There will be no off tanks or main tanks, there probably wont even be “tanks” but brawlers.
Same with healers and the dps , heroes. They will be tweaked further.
And im not saying its perfect. But i would rather deal with a few negatives than deal with this again…
Lastly, another thing I wish NEVER comes back is what you described…
When one of our tanks or supports suddenly disappears and becomes yet another DPS on our team, because they are free just to switch whenever they want. And usually its whenever the 1st team fight is lost, everyone goes panic mode and just switches to dps.
No thanks, I dont ever want that again.
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I’d rather not, thank you.
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