Came back to play after a long break because I saw patch notes a few weeks ago that gave Widow fall off or something like that, so I was like “yeah cool, no more Widow in every single game” I should of checked if the experimental change went through
Hero bans are not gonna be a thing and I feel strongly that I would enjoy playing this game casually 100% more if I didn’t have play Widowwatch.
Sounds ridiculous right? I agree. I also think it’s ridiculous that Widow can be a strong pick against a dive team.
I don’t enjoy being one shot, having to wait 7 seconds to spawn and then walking back to the fight, engage in the fight for 10-20 seconds only to be one shot again from across the map.
“Just watch where your positioning” I also don’t think Overwatch being a hidebehindwallsimulator for the duration Widow is in the fight is fun either.
And yet she was used even during old dive and is now being used during current dive… funny isn’t it.
The hero that’s meant to be getting hard countered still a top dps pick.
Except when she moves? I mean I’m not really down to play hide and seek with widowmaker the whole time and knowing as soon as I peak for even a millisecond I can get one shot.
No but you do have to play walls excessively more compared to literally any other hero. Because other heroes don’t have the ability to casually one shot people every .9 seconds, with no risk involved in said one shot.
Not to mention she literally has no counter other than a mirror pick.
Unless you want to be like the other guy I had an argument with earlier and try to tell me that running a full coordinated dive team to deal with one hero is a “counter” and “fair”.
Also note. GOATs and Double shield were purely made to counter widowmaker because that’s how powerful she is.
Ita funny how widow can causally two shot every tank or leave them at 5 hp from practically endless range with no risk whatsoever, and yet it’s considered balanced.
and yet her performance is on par with everyone else. Funny how that works huh?
If she moves then you… take advantage of the sight lines she isn’t watching. It really isn’t difficult to know where she is. Especially if you take advantage of a barrier, a corner peek, and etc.
There are only so many good sightlines she can take.
I disagree. You take cover just as much from sustained fire as you do burst. The consequences are just applied differently.
The irony is that a full dive team against widow is actually quite fair for one specific reason. You aren’t fighting just widow. You are fighting against the frontline protecting her.
When you go full dive you are not just countering HER you are countering the comp that is keeping you FROM her. Because when Widow is used the setup for her team is usually a game of “vip”. Protect the widow by applying pressure on the front line.
Bypassing the frontline makes their comp far less effective as their VIP is taken out. Which then gives you the freedom to dive the enemy unabated.
There has never been a single meta comp that did not have a cornerstone hero or duo of hero’s. Widow is no different in this respect. The only reason people dislike her is that she punish’s positioning heavily. Just like people hate hog.
Goats was purely made because of its sustain against anything. Specifically dive at first but then it was realized that it did well against everything else as well. Because unsurprisingly when you stack three high health pool hero’s with team defensive abilities with that of a zen and a brig both of which up your sustain and reduce your TTK there isn’t much that any hero can do.
How is her performance on par exactly? How do you measure that?
I look at her winrate… she is top of DPS pick rates (in a meta that’s meant to counter her) and has a 55% winrate in GM, 50% in masters (in a meta that’s meant to hard counter her). That ain’t on par to me.
Except for the plenty of sightlines on so many maps where you simply can’t do anything. It’s a major part of the map and she completely locks down everything… but holding right click.
No she punishes people for playing the game. No other hero in this game out right punishes you for simply existing.
This game has too many sight lines where widow can lock down everything. People can’t hide behind cover forever, it’s not how the game works. They will absolutely get one shotted at some point. If it was that easy, she wouldn’t be a top pick in the game and have multiple metas designed to stop her.
And outside of that? What counters her? Nothing. You either need a mirror pick or a full coordinated dive team to counter her (And even THEN she’s still played)
You have to dive her with 2 or more people to deal with her grapple. If you don’t, you just won’t be able to kill her outside of mirroring.
Past week tracer’s pickrate is outstripping her by 2 percentage points and her winrate is on par with widow. Is tracer OP?
In order to BE in GM you have to have a high winrate. Having a 50% or below winrate means you sink in ranks. This is actually an indicator that the enemy team ISN’T mirror picking her because if they were she would be closer to a 50% win rate.
Widow was literally what made dive dominate, the dive comp devolved into enabling widow comp, similar to how the genji meta was shipping up to be before he was nerfed a month ago.
Tracer is performing well… in a meta that actually suits her.
Please do not compare the two. That’s like comparing a desert fox performing well in the desert, to a snow fox ALSO performing well in the desert. It doesn’t make sense. The snow fox isn’t MEANT to perform well there.
Oh look… she isn’t getting mirror picked and her win rate is above 55%… I WONDER WHHYYYYy. It’s probably because… they aren’t mirror picking and that’s her only counter.
Why? Because you would have to acknowledge a double standard?
You specifically as a player have to maintain a high winrate to be in GM.
So is that the case with tracer as well? She has a higher pickrate but also a high win rate? So she isn’t being mirror picked and dominating as well right?
It’s almost as if you pick and choose what to respond to. You completely ignored the analogy I made. Here I’ll even quote it for you…
You compared two characters that have no business being compared to.
… Yes?
Tracer doesn’t need a mirror pick to be countered though. I mean tracer herself has no real counter, so again. These argumentative points you’re bringing up make little to no sense.
The analogy of “fish out of water” does not work when zero hero’s require specific environments to perform well and largely depend on the players ability to overcome challenges.
But she has a higher pickrate AND an equivalent win rate…
The same stats (but better pickrate) some how draw different meaning because “widow”? Right…
Perhaps widow doesn’t need a widow to counter her either? That in fact widow is being chosen 2/5th LESS then tracer is that she is in fact getting picked off just fine?
So then what do you call niche picks? That require certain requirements so they can perform… in their niche.
Situational picks? What do you think situational picks mean? It clearly means picks that are meant for… certain situations meaning certain requirements are needed.
Metas??? Heroes that perform better in certain metas? (i.e TRACER AND DIVE!?)
No. If that’s the case we can say nothing in the game counters anything and they really only get countered if they can’t “overcome the challenge”.
Okay I’m now just confused in general how we got to tracer. What does any of this have to do with Widowmaker being broken.
No the same stats mean a lot when widow is performing roughly the same as tracer (with only a slightly less pick rate) IN A META MEANT TO HARD COUNTER HER, meanwhile tracer is playing in her BEST meta.
40%? Maybe not exactly maybe closer to 30% but still enormously more then that of Widow.
Part of the issue here is that you are jumping ahead of yourself in conclusions and using stats the encompass BEFORE dive started to show up. The meta is still very much shifting and we are seeing signs of it in pickrates this week specifically.
(And even THEN she’s still played)