I don’t understand why it’s needed for some algorithm to per-determine anything. I’ve seen countless long drawn out posts about how it works and doesn’t work. Can’t we just q up and play? The winners will move up in rank and the losers will be in lower ranks playing with other losers. Why is there a system to basically guarantee an unskilled player will be placed on a team to even out a skilled players WR? If you want a custom team, you make a custom team.
The problem I’m seeing is that you can almost tell whether you are in a “win” or a “loss” game from the character selection screen and voice chat participation. I should make youtube videos calling these games before they happen I’ve become so accurate at it. I don’t say anything to the team because it’s a broken record at this point but seriously I had a game yesterday after a 3 game winstreak where I was the only person on my team with stars and we were up against a 5 stack of high level (many hours exp) players. It was so obvious it was heartbreaking. I really like this game but people want a diceroll when they Q up solo not a “pre-predicted” game.
Is it true this is allowed to continue because it makes smurfs buy more copies of the game to cheat the system? That’s very pathetic if so.
This doesn’t happen unless you are at the extremes of the skill spectrum (low bronze, GM). For everyone else, they are equally likely to be the best as the worst player in the match. Also, it doesn’t balance for winrate, but MMR.
Sound like a great idea! But you need to do it on someone else’s stream (tell them you are making predictions, but not what your predictions are), to avoid you from subconsiously throwing / playing well based on what you expect to happen.
wouldnt it just end up with the people who grind the most matches being at the top. I could be an average player but if I spend 24/7 grinding matches with skilled duo/trios I could get carried far up the leaderboard.
Actually, the more games you plaay, the more you would even out. Also, if your team is more skilled, you would hit an average. What we have now is MMR rigging the match to make sure you would stay down.
MMR makes it harder for Smurfs to stay in low rank. If you remove that you make it easier for them to manipulate the system to stay in a certain rank and ruin the game for lower elos.
Just because you don’t understand it, that doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense or it’s unfair, People who have implemented this system have PhDs in maths and computer science, what do you have ?
expect no changes to comp for awhile.
i’m basing this on Jeff’s latest post.
He literally said not to expect the new game modes.
Testing the hero ban? HMmmmm?
Testing the something? Hmmmm?
If that’s how it worked I wouldn’t be posting about it. Review the highly upvoted post " Why MMR is bad for competitive play "
If this wasn’t happening I wouldn’t have made a post about it. Review highly upvoted post " Why MMR is bad for competitive play" There’s no need for me to re-hash everything in the essay already written about it.
I have no agenda to increase my company’s revenue with a MMR system that encourages buying additional copies of the game to zero out the placement system algorithm.
Skilled player - Someone with expierence, fast reflexes, and good game sense.
Unskilled player - Someone without the above mentioned.
If the q up happened naturally it would be acceptable but the “hidden MMR” system artificially creates a 50% win/lose scenario. The fact that they have admitted that completely contradicts the idea that " you are where you are supposed to be." How can you be when the outcome is already being predicted by " people with PhDs in computer science? eye roll The truth is you are where Blizzard wants you to be.
A skilled player is someone with relatively good mechanical skills but also a lot of gamesense and ow knowledge, this kind of player is flexible, versatile so he’s good in every role and with a lot of heroes (including hard ones), this means he got the potential to impact a game in almost every situation.
An unskilled player is someone with relatively low mechanical skills, a base gamesense and ow knowledge that plays Mercy, Moira or Brigitte and says “trash team” when there is no tank/dps carrying them and usually cry about strongest dps in the current patches because they hate dying from heroes they will never and ever able to play.
Isn’t it more likely that the game is already like you describe?
I mean after all, the people complaining about being trapped in their rank are complaining about losses. Isn’t it possible you’re just a loser playing with other losers but just don’t realize it?
Isn’t it possible that this isn’t the case, and you’re just trying to make MMR out to be some evil oppressive algorithm to justify your shortcomings?
Because it seems to me that it is most likely MMR is just a slightly more precise version of SR, and so they display SR to be easier on the eyes.
If you’re referring to Cuthbert’s thread, his entire essay revolves SOLELY upon an intentional misrepresentation of a developer quote that he uses as evidence that “good” players are balanced out with “bad” players as a form of handicapping matches. Considering the toxic nature of this forum where so many players claim to be better than their rank but can’t climb solely due to bad teammates, it’s natural that his thread would be upvoted a lot, but that doesn’t make it correct. I’ve even debunked his evidence in his own thread, but alas he’ll just pretend that it doesn’t exist.
Anyways, you should go ahead and read Kaawumba’s topic on Competitive Play and Matchmaking, it extensively references developer posts on what’s going on: How Competitive Skill Rating Works (Season 13)
That being said, there are still a lot of people on this forum that flat out say that the developers are lying and that Blizzard is rigging games to prevent them from climbing/handicapping games to keep them down/etc. If you’re thinking like one of them, then no one here or at Blizzard can or wants to help you, and you should probably play a different game that isn’t so team-reliant.
Actually, yes, you of all players need a source, because your posting history between your two or more accounts suggests that you’re not in the right mind to evaluate the matchmaker.
You’re like the following two players that tried to even prove on video that matchmaking does what you claim it does, and then it’s easily seen that it’s not their teammates, it’s the player that’s tilting hard and allows himself to be a bad teammate:
Each seasons, i have more wins than losses but in the end i’m always 300-400 sr lower than my season starting score. i don’t stop to improve but it’s useless… the more you play, the more you go down.
If you are, then your SR gains and losses are influenced by your performance. If you’re ending a season 300-400 SR lower, even with more wins than losses, then it’s likely that your MMR is lower than your SR. Your actual skill rating is lower than your displayed SR would imply.
I don’t know what your playstyle actually looks like, but I’d be willing to bet that you probably flex too much on to heroes you’re not as good on. This is a very common reason for people gaining slowly, or losing much more than they gain per game. If you do over flex, try changing that up and focusing on 1-2 heroes per role, and getting proficient on them. Then you can flex comfortably, and your SR will feel more accurate.