By The Time You Get To Platinum

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You should know how to build a team composition.

Rarely are non-smurfs placed here, and short of being boosted, a large portion of the player base have climbed their way into Plat from silver / gold, myself included.

By Plat, “Refusing to Cooperate” should extend to just that… refusing to play with the rest of the team. That includes feeding, refusing to swap, refusing to join teamchat, refusing to synergize with your team, and refusing to fill more than one role.

By Plat, you should have an index of heroes you can play, and shouldn’t just be an insta-lock one trick.

By Plat, you should know that your chances of winning without a tank or healer are slim to none. And not justify that “one time at band camp” that it actually worked.

By Plat, you should know how to swap to counter enemies.

By Plat, you should know what counters you, and why it isn’t working, and be willing to swap to something more effective.

I understand the need for flexibility in bronze / silver / low gold because it’s more-or-less a crapshoot, but by the time players reach Platinum, there should be stricter requirements to play at the top half of the community. It’s insanely frustrating to still be dealing with an incessant amount of one tricks, trolls, and throwers. I climbed from Bronze to Plat by the skin of my teeth, learned different roles, how to play with a team, how to play around a team, and it just seems that it doesn’t matter how high you climb, the community never gets better because there aren’t any parameters in place to make them.

And that’s a sad sign for the longevity of the game.

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People know all of these things but they are stubborn and want someone else on the team to swap so they dont have to.

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A majority of the time plats make the wrong call on what should be switched, and can’t properly tell why something isn’t working.

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That’s not cooperating, and should be punishable. I don’t understand how Blizzard allows for that sort of nonsense at higher-level play in a competitive game mode.

They’ve stated dozens of times the intent is for teams to swap throughout the game, and when you’re a one-trick Sym who get’s countered, then refuses to swap, then get toxic when people get upset, it should be a punishable offence at higher levels of play.

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Idk what’s funnier; that people still insist that refusing to swap should be reportable despite the fact that the game itself says the literal opposite. Or the fact that anyone thinks plat is good.

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And if they think you are wrong? Maybe they think they are making the best decision to stay. Just because you say they should switch, doesn’t make it the right call.

No, it shouldn’t. And higher levels of play don’t really even start till masters. Both diamond and plat miss a lot of the important aspects that makes high level play, high level play. Most of the time, players don’t even know why they lost a team fight.

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Disagreeing with someone doesn’t make them wrong and it’s exhausting having players constantly trying to act like it’s the same thing. I don’t care if you disagree, if you’re 2/11 because you’re directly countered and still refuse to swap, it’s feeding. There isn’t room for discussion.

These are irrelevant points together. Yes, refusing to cooperate with your team should be punishable. You can’t make the fact that you’re a higher SR player, and somehow an authority (apparently) a mutually exclusive reason for blanket statements like “Not, it shouldn’t” because you disagree that Plat isn’t higher level play. The point is, it’s high enough for players to know better, and one-tricking and failing at it, isn’t up for disagreement. A <25% winrate with a one trick by the time you’re in Plat and refusing to cooperate or coordinate, is inexcusable and counter-competitive - It should be punishable.

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You don’t know their stats, you don’t know what’s causing the lost fights.

No, it shouldn’t. If your whole team wants to jump off the map and you don’t wanna co-operate with them, that doesn’t make them wrong. Just like when your team is wanting to run something that is worse than what you are already running, and you choose not to. Just because your team wants to do something, doesn’t mean you should have to follow.

You might be failing because the rest of your team is poorly but wish to blame you. I don’t trust plats, or even most other diamonds opinion on what is right and what isn’t.

Nobody is going to have this with more than 3 hours of play and not be throwing, don’t try to blame others. You can’t make an argument just based off of extremes

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People know, they just don’t do it, and who can you blame anyway? Which of the 5 DPS are at fault? Is that one guy off the hook for switching to D,va when we still have 4 DPS and 1 support?

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Plat trash here. I wholeheartedly agree.

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In plat, people generally understand that a team comp helps you win. However, they don’t really understand how to use it properly, thus making it a moot issue. The game is absolutely winnable with almost any comp, and I’ve seen some absurd nonsense work in the past.

What is way more effective than whining about a team comp is staying positive and friendly with your teammates. You WILL lose more with a good team comp and bad attitude than with a bad comp and good attitude. If you still lose, then you’re probably playing at your rank.

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Yes. That does make them wrong. And this thought process directly continues to perpetrate the aspect of selfish gameplay that is plaguing the community. I don’t understand how anyone can disagree with that. If you have 5 people joining a competitive match, just to jump off the map, go play a different game mode, you are WRONG.

The entire context of this is competitive. You guys keep forgetting that a competitive mode is focused around winning, and when you’re intentionally hindering your teams ability to win, that’s WRONG.

You’re right, just because ONE person is telling someone to swap, doesn’t make them right. But when an entire team can acknowledge that an attack Sym / Parkour Lucio / Widow who’s getting wrecked by a Winston over and over and over and over and over and over and request a swap, only to be met with “I HAVE 5 GOLDS RAWR RAWR” when that ISN’T the truth is a problem. And should be a reportable offense.

In the context of competitive mode, it’s expected to put your best foot forward, and that’s cooperating with the rest of your team. That’s literally the difference between a ranked play, and a casual mode. You can’t have both in the same game mode. It’s counter-intuitive. If you’re unable, or unwilling to cooperate, there are other game modes available to play. If you are unwilling to utilize those game modes for your own selfish play, then it should be a reportable offense to refuse to cooperate.

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All of this implies that the people that are telling you to switch are right, which with the amount of mob mentality and blame that goes into this game, I don’t trust and have seen it wrong plenty of times. “The torb/Sym/sombra etc needs to switch!!!” While the rest of the time isn’t creating space, the healers or pocketing the tanks etc… So much of it is rooted in straight up blame

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Since we’re just throwing things out that we think should be reportable/punishable and going “I don’t care if you disagree”:

People who demand “cooperation” but does not playing exclusively in a 6-stack should be banned from competitive.

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And this is all rooted in blindness and lack of game awareness. It’s pretty blatantly obvious MOST of the time when someone doesn’t mesh with the team. In Plat, it’s not typically one lost teamfight and “ALRIGHT SWAP RIGHT THIS SECOND”. It’s typically by the second round that someone goes “This doesn’t work with this comp, we need to swap it up.”

Then it’s “So-and-so has left the voice channel” or starts raging about how they’re just NOT getting healed, and that’s the problem. Then continues on with business as usual.

I literally played a game last night with a Widow who was getting WRECKED. I’m talked 3 deaths by halfway to the first CP while she’s sitting on a roof blaiming the cumulative tanks for not shielding her and healers for not healing her… On a ROOF. That is straight up refusing to cooperate, but totally legal in competitive.

“Play Around It”. Sure, let’s condone one player being able to hijack an entire match.

Players have been asking for an exclusive stacked or registered queue for ages. It’s been disregarded and a half-@#$ LFG mode, where throwers seem to have moved indefinitely and thrived. Easiest way to guarantee you get to play exactly what you want, regardless of the rest of your team is to start a LFG. And that’s unfortunately what it’s become… A slew of groups for a leader who just wants to Sym.

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You’re suppose to host your own group if you’re looking for a specific game experience, not join someone else’s group and expecting it to fit your needs.

The people who want to play Sym and start their own LFG group is using the tool correctly.

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This is incredibly flawed, as LFG would just be a lobby of solo players, as nobody would ever fill a group with this and they do all the time. This is actually the opposite of how Blizzard designed it to be used per Jeff, however, once players started using it that way, they just left it… Which is why many of what I imagine you call “tryhards” don’t use it.

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Legit every time it’s “obvious”, things would’ve been fine if someone wasn’t doing something obviously horrible, big tip, it’s usually NOT your off meta player.

And it usually is, don’t know where you get the idea it isn’t.

Yet how often you guys run stuff like DVA Hog :thinking: I’ve seen so many plat games where you’ll run two off tanks and then not push past the choke, and then blame your off meta heros.

I can only take your word for this scenario, which isn’t enough and scenarios like this are extreme as there is almost always more going on.

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And yet he doesn’t reply to an argument that absolutely destroys his stance

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LFG group’s don’t create themselves. If none of the groups you see looks appealing, or they don’t run it the way you want it to be ran, then host your own group. If you don’t want to take chances or spend the time playing with random groups to find out if they are what you want, then go straight to hosting.

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