That is such a baby nerf that I believe it. That is the exact kind of change I am expecting.
Itâs bizarre how math like that is ignored by people with winrate arguments.
As if math is unimportant when talking about numbers.
I ignore it for two reasons, firstly, your own claim that the math is shoddy. Funny how that is all of a sudden not relevant, and furthermore because heroes who having much higher pickrates also have much higher winrates when they are dominant. Especially relative to the class of heroes. It is pretty easy to ignore when all heroes have the math applied under the same circumstances. There isnât a secret McCree equation, fam.
The people who force that 50/50 logic are the ones ignoring the data. Bias will be bias.
It was never relevant.
The distortion isnât relevant? K. Interesting 180.
Itâs perfectly normal to change your understanding of something when you see new compelling evidence.
This is from a guy who has been having frequent email exchanges with the Overbuff website developer.
At this point Robotwizards post should just be pinned so everyone actually understands how Overbuff works.
Hmm, then I guess heroes with high win rates with low use rates are just high because theyâre one tricked only when they find it optimally. Like Torbjorn or Bastion, then players just swap when it doesnât work.
Yup, and because they tend to extend the duration of the match giving them more playtime on a specific hero, and get switched off quickly of they arenât working.
Just sayin the whole 50% winrate argument doesnât work for McCree because heâs only played 50% of the time
Thereâs Reinhardt whoâs played 75% of the time and is sitting on a 52% WR which may indicate that heâs winning extra games where the other team isnât running Reinhardt
But McCree is only winning 49% of the time, being picked around 50% of games which can be an indication that the team that isnât picking him is more likely to win
I know people will argue that people swap to him when theyâre losing but honestly I think McCree is vastly overrated in comparison to cries for him to be nerfed, he really isnât the monster that people claim he is
If it was simply âpick McCree and win when the other team doesnât play himâ then he would definitely have a higher win rate, I do think McCree (alongside Tracer) do need to be nerfed, but I also think people are far too quick to complain and are vastly over exaggerating his strength
As long as people are so blind as to believe this there will never be progress.
Thanks! I think it is the post I am most proud of.
I mean to be fair if you are below Diamond you probably are overpicking McCree for the value you are capable of getting on him. It is like being a Gold Widow. If you could get value on Widow, you would not be in Gold.
Winrate means nothing
If a hero is actually a mustpick then everyone would play them
in that scenario it would stable at 50% or wherever it is
why?
because 1 of these heroes wins and loses every game
pickrate is more accurate as that can change and a hero having a very high pickrate is a sign of them being too powerful (though there are exceptions to this example being genji: he isâŚok though his pickrate is so high because people find him allot of fun to play
Typically mirror matches would be excluded from winrate calculations though.
This argument falls apart when you realise that even if this were the case youâd still have people who would refuse to play said hero, and thus their win rate would be greater than 50%
Gold Widows get value with Widow in Gold⌠or they wouldnât be in Gold maining Widow.
His winrate being negative kinda shows heâs not as strong as people think. If he has a lower winrate because of the mirror matchups youâd expect a super op hero to have a really high winrate vs non mirror matchups which would bring it over 50%. Yet heâs still below 50%. This shows he still loses games vs teams without a McCree.
What rank are you getting these stats from?
In mid to low ranks if one team has a McClick and loses it will throw off the over all stats.
I feel like itâs one small aspect that should be considered.
Yet the mccree mains treat his WR like its a freakin holy text. Doesnât matter that heâs obliterating anyone in his way, if his winrate is low, heâs obviously one of the worst characters in the game apparently smh. And God forbid you call them on it. inb4 they all start screaming about how bad his ult is even though it absolutely dumps on barrage and visor etc.