What if Reinhardt’s pin was buffed to where it was impossible to stop outside of a Sleep Dart or Mei freezing him? (Or another Rein pin) The action can’t be stopped by any other CC such as Flashbang, Shield bash, Hook, Rocket punch, etc.
The key word was can’t be STOPPED. CC that boops the target around can be used since it doesn’t actually stop the action. It just changes his positioning.
What do you guys think? How much would that help Reinhardt?
Lets not buff Rein since he is already meta
So, make it an ability that can’t be countered at all beyond just shooting Rein?
Yah, I don’t like the sound of that.
Removing the functionality of those responses to pin seems a bit unfair, and it also gives Rein a similar ability to fortify within his pin. I like the idea, but the more I think about it the more I believe the game would be better off buffing him in other areas.
LOL. Only with Brigitte is he Meta.
Yea I was thinking about the negativity of it too. I sorta rationalized it by saying that Pin can be even more punishing if buffed like that. Sometimes, hard CC can save a Reinhardt’s life. Maybe it wasn’t a good idea though
The problem with the argument that CC can save his life when he uses pin to rationalize the change has multiple levels, this means that not only is this argument saying that it helps Rein survive when he makes a misplay that he SHOULD get punished for, it also is relying on the opponent to make a poor decision of if/when they use their CC. A proper pin shouldn’t leave you thankful that the enemy stopped you, and using the CC properly in response to pin should either be saving someone, or used in conjunction with a call out to your team to burst down the Rein. I don’t mean to be rude, its just that the justification is relying on misplays from both sides, which isn’t how balancing should be done.
Charge is such an extreme risk ability, sometimes getting CC’d out of it is actually the best outcome.
…You all realize you can just run away from it, right? It’s about as maneuverable as a potato
Just running away isn’t a counter. All abilities have to have counters. If someone does get pinned, that McCree FB could help save them.
you do realize he’s running straight into the middle of your team when he charges you, right? As long as no one gets pinned (which is easy to say, since literally any hero can outmaneuver a charge) then That Rein is as good as dead. If you’re good, you don’t need cc to take him down.
No.
Your suggestion is just too forgiving for such ability. There has to be somewhat of a counterplay to Reinhard’s pin.
Deprive that substantial aspect by leaving charge invulnerable to the majority of ccs would be a detriment to the player base and end up broken in terms of balancement.
I’d say initiate the ability wisely to exhibit an applicable result to your favor.
That would make him have a guaranteed kill practically every time he pins someone, unless someone can easily shoot something going that fast (No one can).
They need to focus more on his tank side, not his damaging side.
Let him have no barrier cooldown when it’s destroyed and faster recharge might help.
If you only charge into the middle of teams as Rein, you’re doing it wrong.
Everyone is complaining about CC, what should we do? I got it! We should buff CC!
If you need a flashbang to survive a Reinhardt charge, you’re doing it wrong.
If you’re in a position where Reinhardt can charge you without putting himself at severe risk, you’re doing it wrong
If you can’t outmaneuver a charge, you’re doing it wrong.
Should I go on?
If you think it’s a guaranteed kill without CC, you’ve got another thing coming. Charges are easy to miss, and even easier to screw up. Anyone who tries can easily outmaneuver it.
Believe it or not, when the game came out, there was very little CC. Did Reinhardt charges rule the earth? NO! Even without CC, it’s easy to deal with them. We’ve just had extreme cc so long, most of you have forgotten how to live without it.
Point is, it’s not needed. He shouldn’t have immunity during a charge and only be prone to being shot at. That was one of the biggest complaints about Genji’s deflect. I don’t know why you are defending wanting a “I’m invincible” charge.
Oh, and yah there was.
McCree Flashbang
Mei Wall
Mei Freeze
Mei Cryo
Junkrat Trap
Junkrat Mine boop
Lucio Boop
Hog hook
Pharah Boop
Counter Rein charge
The only things that has been added.
Orisa Fortify
Ana Sleep dart
Brig shield bash
Doom Rocket punch
Sombra Hack
These would all stop or miss place a charging Rein.
Buddy, you’re acting like CC is the only solution for a charging Reinhardt. If that’s the case for you, then that’s your problem.
And you’re acting like “Just shoot him” is the only solution. If that’s your case, then that’s your problem.
But ultimately, you haven’t offered anything to the argument. You just keep telling people that they are wrong. You haven’t given any reasons why he should have this.