And revert 3.5 second DM to 3
You shouldn’t be a throw pick just because the enemy team presses H in spawn.
Enough with counter swap
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This makes dva super strong, basically mauga meta but it’s only dva
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So I suppose people just want hard counters on the tank to never go away?
She’s useless into beams. They’ve got to do something about it.
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That’s the problem with 5v5, hard counter and tanks aren’t happy to play
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No, they want D.Va to give up something substantial for reducing the efficacy of her biggest weakness rather than just reverting DM back to a state where it was already too strong against everything except beams.
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Beams are short range tools, you have one of the best mobility tools in the game. And the option to engage the enemy supports/dps right off the back if you really want. Also alot of armor to buffer it out with healing.
So like as long as the enemy team isn’t zarya/mei/sym/moria/brig. You should have someone somewhere to kill. If not sym is the easiest target of the bunch.
And worse worse case scenario, you can do hit and run tactics till you find something low enough to blow up with missiles. And or ask nicely for the team to focus fire into you.
Also not it’s not a hard counter d.va is more then her DM now.
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I mean that lets her hide and escape - but ultimately if a zarya is chilling with her supports or who have you- what is Dva going to do?
I’m fine with the idea of making Dva “better” against beams - maybe they do less damage to her armored health, or her DM reduced their damage a % instead of “does nothing “
However
This probably would need to come with health / armor nerfs.
But this is kind of the direction I wish tanks overall went.
Address hard counters into soft counters, and adjust health as necessary to prevent any particular tank from dominating.
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Nerfing her DM back to 3s makes her less strong in every single situation except against Zarya. Having some way to deal with beams just lessens the counterswaping and the suggested nerf makes her easier to deal with without a counterswap.
This is a win win man.
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Dva as far as i know has never been meta liek zarya has always been overtiuned for far to long but beams in gernal are op
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Force out a bubble or jump on targets after your team forces out a bubble then do your kill combo. And or nuke her team because she can’t save all of them from your ult.
And while a bubble is up switch targets. to starve the bubble and get some ult charge / elims/setups for your team/ and or pressure people away from you.
Also you don’t just “escape” you cycle were you break LOS get some heals and push again once you have armor.
It is a “reactive” play style where as you basic ram the tank/back line with all the damage can easily be buffered out by a zarya.
Also like the moment she resists beams more then she already does (armor is at 30% beam resistance mind you now and zarya doesn’t get any of that to negate your damage) She is basically have a hard edge over the the other tanks, and would be a top teir.
Maybe her defense matrix can shrink the beams 
so that you have to be right next to her to do damage
The emojis were necessary btw
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Dva got this buff in ow1 when her boosters got buffed. Just boost away to their backline. Dont play dva like a rein and beam characters shouldnt be a issue.
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She should get beam resistance in return for 2.5 second defence matrix
“Enough with Overwatch”
Fixed that for you, counter play always has and will be a thing.
Remove her buffs and make missiles weaker, and we’ll talk.
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If we’re talking about counter swaps then d.va shouldn’t make illaris ult basically not exist by existing as d.va…
It’s not just limited to d.va vs zarya. D.va is a player in the counter swap game too. It’s just that half of the forums are filled with d.va mains so it isn’t talked about.
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There is a big difference here. D.va cant do anything about beams. Illari using an ult knowing dm is availble with without draining is just dumb
One is a soft counter and one is a hard counter.
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D.va will almost always have some sort of DM available. You can just wait for the illari to fire her ult before you use your DM, it’s ridiculously braindead gameplay.
Most beam heroes have limited mobility (if any at all) so are not that hard to play around unless the map has no high ground.
If a d.va has that low of dm then its a mind game of holding the ult just a little longer until drained. ( unless the illari is shooting the ult from narnia) Still has interaction while just avoid them doesnt as much
Thus hard counter and soft counter
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Illari ult moves slowly. You can easily catch it even with 5% of your DM available. The interaction is stupid and until it’s changed the beam interaction shouldn’t be changed. It’s not even a counter at this point it might as well be straight up removing the Q button from illari unless the d.va is out of mech.