Before I say anything else, I’m not calling for Brigitte to be deleted or to get nerfed as bad as roadhog did, but she really needs to be reworked and soon. I think that she needs to be less focused on tankiness and damage and more on support. I get that she is supposed to counter dive, but her current toolkit makes her counter more than just dive. I’ve played about 50 matches with Brigitte on the enemy team in the last 2 weeks and the only time it was an enjoyable match was when the enemy player had no clue what they should be doing.
The most frustrating part about her kit is the ability to kill non-tank heroes within a few seconds with no aim requirement and if she lands the shield bash, there’s nothing you can do about it. I’m sure a lot of higher skilled players have the mechanical skill to bait the shield bash, but most players can’t unless they get lucky. When I get killed by a headshot from a widowmaker or hanzo, I feel like they deserve that kill. They used skill to beat me (Unless it’s storm arrows, those are dumb), but I can’t respect a Brigitte player’s skill because the hero doesn’t take much in order to get a kill. I think Blizzard needs to nerf shield bash’s cooldown and damage and it’d be more fair. (Not the 1 second cooldown nerfs we’ve been getting every month, I mean an actual change to the hero)
The only other problem woth Brigitte is that she’s too tanky. I think they wanted to make it where genji and tracer can’t kill her, but they ended up making her almost invincible. I know that some heroes can counter and kill her, but in a competitive game where you have a set pool of heroes you’re good at, it almost seems like you need to be good at a certain hero or you’re going to lose. In QP, it’s fine because you can play heroes you suck at and if you lose it’s fine. But in competitive, if you need a Pharah or a Hanzo to counter an enemy Brigitte, and no one on your team is good at that small list of heroes, you have a HUGE disadvantage throughout the entire match.
The only other option you have at that point is play Brigitte yourself, but that should NEVER be the answer to a problem. Oh, the enemy is using a certain hero? Guess we better copy them then! When a hero is only countered by a very small amount of heroes and themselves then you’ve failed to make a balenced hero. I’m not sure if anyone else feels the same, but I sure don’t like being forced to play heroes I hate just because the other team has an unbalanced hero. That sucks out any fun you would have had during that match. And this is a GAME it’s meant to be fun.
I’m sorry if this sounds like a rant (kinda is) but I really hate playing against this hero and I had to get that off my chest.
TDDR: Brigitte forces people to pick certain heroes regarless of weither they like/are good at them or not, and that’s not a fun thing to do.
The difference between Brigitte and other heroes is that there is room for counterplay. A Roadhog can beat a Reaper if he is smarter and outplays him. Outplaying a Brigitte with anything other than a counter is almost impossible without a massive skill gap
Not many heroes have significant knockbacks, I’ve seen Brigitte easily win 1v2s and even 1v3s on occasion, depending on map and brigitte’s position, distance may not be possible, and finally, being forced to play mei isn’t fun. Please read the original post about why it isn’t fun.
Having a Mei around forces Brig into holding m2 for the entire match.
Probably my most favourite hero interaction when it comes to Brig.
The oppressor becomes oppressed.
How is 3-4 characters is massive? And all her counters get countered very easly in the current meta. Lets list her counters:
Pharah: gets destroyed by double snipers which is meta.
Junkrat: same as pharah.
Hanzo: you have to worry about enemy snipers more than brig.
Wow this is tons of counters to a support cant be killed by anyone. /s
So… all those folks up in GM who are still using Dive at greater frequencies than Brigitte is being picked are having a hard time playing around her?
Brigitte has plenty of counterplay that requires no switching. Basically, range and vertical separation. The fact that the heroes she supposedly renders unplayable are picked more frequently than her is very telling
With the extra one second cooldown coming to ptr, this could give close range dps like reaper and doomfist a better chance at killing her. We’ll just have to see the results once ptr releases.
A) Less than 1% of players are GM so that’s not the standard of what’s being llayed as a whole.
B) Depending on positioning and you hero, distance is not always an option. If you get snuck up on or Brigitte closes the gap between you (Not hard) you’re dead instanly.
Easy, easy, my doctor says I need less salt in my diet.
And my point was that a large number of characters make picking other specific characters a bad idea.
It’s generally a poor idea to pick flanking characters like Genji and Tracer when the enemy team has a Winston. Junkrat is really good at dispatching Torbjorn and Bastion. Reaper is bad news for Winston.
So saying, ‘oh, I picked a character, you shouldn’t pick that one to fight them’ is a complete non-starter.
And if you’re seriously going to say that dual sniper hard counters pharah you’re probably playing at a level where dual snipers isn’t viable. I’ve seen way, way too many games where my team will see a pharah and think that genji and junkrat are the way to go. DPS Squatters will make you lose more low rank games than anything else.
How was Gravedigger being salty? It honestly sounds like your a little kid trying to roast someone. He was just stating facts, which are true btw, and I’ve been seeing more salt from you than from him. Besides, like I said in the original post which no one seems to be reading, counterplay is acceptable as long as it doesn’t force you to switch or die. Like I said before, a Roadhog can beat a Reaper even though he’s being countered. Fighting a brigitte when you’re countered is basically suicide.
If you are playing at a level where Brigitte is seen as overpowering you’re playing at a level where dual snipers are never going to be a factor to counter your pharah.
Remember, Brigitte doesn’t see much play in the upper tiers.
I’m at roughly Low Plat (Above Average but not by a lot) and I see both Brigitte and dual snipers in 2/3 of my games. It depends on your rank but the majority of players have to deal with this.
It does decrease the fun in a game when you are aware of the fact that a character takes significantly less effort to accomplish what other characters have to practice diligently to accomplish.
So… let’s use averages. In which case… yeah, same deal. Characters that Brigitte “counters” are showing up throughout tiers, particularly DVa and Genji. At the very least, players have figured out how to work around her with these two, and the heroes showing up in Master’s and GM suggest that Dive has found workarounds, too. My point remains unchanged.
Firstly, distance beyond ~10 m is usually an option. If it’s not because of your positioning, that’s not a problem with Brigitte. Some maps don’t offer it as frequently–but that would make Brigitte a situationally powerful character akin to Pharah, which is fine.
Secondly, 13 heroes have vertical mobility, which essentially denies Brigitte out of hand. This is also ignoring horizontal mobility extending beyond 6 m that can be used to avoid her. If you are any of these heroes, and Brigitte can sneak up on you, that is called poor game sense or just getting outplayed. If she closes the gap uncontested, that’s… I don’t even know what to call it. Bad play?