Because recall is just such an OP ability that if you cant one shot tracer, she gets away scott-free. Shield bash is on almost as long a cooldown as recall, and if tracer plays her cards right it isnt that hard for her to stay outside range of it. Tracer being able to recall out of basically any bad situation makes stunning her feel almost pointless.
If i’m playing an anti flanker, I should be able to do more than just make tracer press E. I should be able to secure a kill on her. But I simply cannot because taking a shield to her cranium only deals the damage of a sleep dart, for whatever reason.
The ability to punish is gone. I can’t punish a tracer for being careless and getting too close, because when I don’t kill her in one hit she always gets away.
Please do something about this. it is so frustrating to not even be able to counterpick tracer effectively anymore as BRIG of all heroes. Tracer could always deal with brig if played well, she just separated the good tracers (ones who could play around her ranges and dodge her abilities) and bad ones (i got countered REEEE). Which was completely fine.
If you want to buff brig then that’s okay. if you want to add a short delay to recall that’s okay too. But I want brig to be able to KILL tracer, forcing a recall really isnt enough when she’s supposed to be a counter. Any old hero can force a recall. Brig should be able to kill if tracer gets caught out. It’s only fair.
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Right, it was “necessary”. Never mind the effect it had on every other hero, or the fact that having one hero be the only counter to another hero makes them a mandatory counter pick.
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currently tracer once again lacks a solid counter pick which can be really irritating when one is dominating your team and there isnt much you can do about it. I admit that a 150 combo is pretty darn strong, but its also both her offensive cooldowns, usually pushes anyone who survives to the edge or outside of her primary range, and leaves room for escape. With the nerfs of not being able to go through shields, weaker shield health, and longer cooldown its not that strong.
There’s even changes that could be made where using shield bash takes some shield health making her easier to deal with after the combo or something.
Currently it takes three primary hits, a shield bash, and whipshot to kill tracer which means unless her entire kit is on cooldown, shes impossible to kill in a 1v1. Im just hoping they up SB damage by 5 so that it only takes 1 additional hit with the combo instead of 2
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Bottom 5 winrate in every rank until Masters and GM… where she is the 6th and 7th lowest respectively
But she lacks counters
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Brig right now counters Tracer. Brig before deleted Tracer from the game. Tracer went from viable to F Tier instantly after brig was added. Even after brig was nerfed tracer is still like C or D Tier
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yeah dude. brig has a 90% pick rate and tracer has a 9% pick rate? BUFF BRIG AND NERF TRACER!
keep these hailfall threads coming, i missed having a good chuckle lmao
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Brig never could one shot Tracer… It took 3 moves to kill Tracer.
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It was a combo that still made tracer utterly useless
what a surprise that was completely OP (and the developers refused to nerf in any meaningful way) needed an even more OP character to counter her!
“lol just stun her and click on her head” as she jumps around deleting your backline because she of how ridiculous her damage output is, and how impossible she is to hit.
always loved the “tracer is balanced” followed “well its okay for Tracer to be OP because she takes skill!”
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I think you mean “she separated those who were persistent enough to play Tracer and those who were smart enough not to.” LOL
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Brig still counters Tracer hard with her E and ultimate like always. The bash combo was just one of the disgustingly OP things she definitely needed removed for the health of the game.
recall has 12 sec cooldown, bash has 7 sec. its almost duoble the cooldown of bash.
did you play this game before brig got nerfed? she deleted tracers by existing, and she was not what seperated good tracers from bad, she just made tracer a troll pick no matter who played her.
so you want “rock, paper, scissors” in the game again? no thanks.
I just saw that this is a hailfall post… why didnt it suprise me?
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I will admit that shield bash should do a bit more damage, maybe as much as McCree’s stun or her own swing just to keep it consistent, because as it stands in order to combo tracer you need to have 2 prior swings in, which is impossible versus a tracer that knows what they’re doing. It would be better if you only needed one, but the one-shot combo was a bit much.
Plenty of players can secure a kill on Tracer.
You can’t?
Hm.
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The best Tracer counter is the fact that she statistically kinda sucks for over 85% of the player population, in Competitive.
And much more of you include Quickplay.
That said, people who deal with good Tracers regularly and people who don’t understand the concept+value of Peeling almost never overlap.
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Apparently having a too strong hero wasn’t fine for Brigitte (which needed to be in order to keep Tracers in check) but it’s completely fine with Tracer while she also has no reliable counter.
I find really disgusting that ppl are fine with Tracer players being the only agent of their fate just because Tracer is the beloved mascot.
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Pressure her into recalling then stun and combo her.
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i was thinking about ways to still counter tracer but not completely screw over others…
maybe a cripple mechanic like in paladins where you can do everything as per normal except no movement abilities (think being stuck in a grav)
She doesn’t one shot her anymore and even the best tracer players in the world rarely play her in OWL.
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Well the results tell it isnt that much mandatory. Being a non clippable hero with CC itself is enough unless Tracer uses her ult these days. Which would be better if Brigitte ult was instant so itcan counter pulse after it is attached