She didn’t.
People were just so fed up with the ridiculous amount of burst damage and one-clipping that DPS are capable of doing, so the GOATS comp was a way to nullify that annoyance. Brig is simply an answer to certain heroes that a large majority of the player base find extremely irritating like Tracer and Genji for example.
She didn’t “create” GOATS. The desire to not have to play against two tapping monstrosities is what created GOATS. If people weren’t so annoyed by what certain DPS were capable of, then the GOATS meta would never have been a thing.
GOATS at its core was about being able to mitigate as much damage as possible which is why you had D.Va for her matrix, Zarya for her brief period of invincibility via her bubble, Rein with the strongest shield in the game and Brig and lucio for strong aoe healing and strong defensive ultimates. Lucio also has speed boost which makes his team harder to target with any sort of gun. The team comp is literally based around making sure that nobody can be burst down. Brig didn’t cause this, she just happened to be a hero that fit the need at the time.
Just because brig was overpowered back then, doesn’t mean she was the one that created the meta. If brig got nerfed to her current state back then, goats meta still would have been a thing because the nature of brigs kit would still fit everything that GOATS stood for.
So if you’re one of the people that say that the GOATS meta killed overwatch, then brigette is not the one you should be blaming.
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I don’t think she killed OW, but she DID play a major part in GOATS. Lucio-Zen wouldn’t have been possible if it wasn’t for the AoE heal + tanky peel she provided for Zen, which enabled him to be played which enabled double defensive ult.
Also Rally was one of the best ults in GOATS with how much mid-fight sustain it could provide when you could stack armor on Lucio/Zen/Zarya and make them almost untargetable. Again, I don’t think she killed the game, but she really was part of the reason GOATS happened.
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BRIG DID NOT CREATE GOATS & DIDN’T KILL OW
I wish this would be last words before this hero disappear.
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Bruh you’re literally trying to retcon history here.
Goats is named after Team GOATS, who made the comp to relentlessly run over everything in it’s path. In most cases this meant destroying the main tank first, faster than anyone could help them.
Tracer or Genji or two tapping had absolutely nothing to do with it.
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ok let me rephrase.
the goats META.
of course the actual team that first did it probably did not have that in mind.
but people that played LADDER figured out that that comp literally nullified any dps and clung to it
i should have worded it better. i was more talking about the meta that had run rampant for ages in ladder
Brig definitely was the cause of that meta, just as Sigma was the cause of double barrier
A new element was introduced to the game and was completely unique in how and where it could be applied. That’s how metas form from new characters, it’s something that couldn’t be done before.
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I personally disagree. I feel like to see what truly caused a meta. We have to look at the heroes that a meta disables. Then we can know where the true issue lies.
The heroes disabled by a meta gives you good information on what people hate/ have a hard time/ don’t want to play against.
If multiple people have a hard time playing against a certain hero/ class of heroes, to the point where whole metas are made which make them irrelevant, then maybe they need taking a look at.
Brig definitely inspired GOATs, no pun intended. 2 AoE healers that never require Lucio to amp speed because they are the same value, one primary healer for real heals, and 3 tanks that should never die because they constantly get armor.
yeah no one blames the top brick for the collapse in stability of the wall - they blame the builders plans. Sometimes I regret not wearing glasses.
Basically this.
Hypothetically, let’s say that OP is right about players desperately looking for a way to mitigate burst damage from overturned DPS. Well, why wasn’t some “brig-less” GOATS comp formed before her arrival?
Brig completed the comp, she was the last piece needed to perfect a playstyle that was already common–Rein deathball. Brig took it to another level with the tools she provided. GOATS has incredibly synergy, that’s why it was the strongest comp and remains so in open queue. Saying it was a reaction to burst damage is a stretch. I think people confuse that point with the comp being so strong that it could be the answer to any obstacle. Enemy hitscan shutting you down? Go GOATS. Spam heroes locking down a choke? go GOATS. Enemy playing a hard dive? Go freaking GOATS duh. GOATS > all.
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Thanks to Brigs ult which gave armor for everyone and speed boost.
Not to mention her stun, combo kill and shield.
Yeah, original Brig was cancer.
It had to deal with Double Sniper
After the overbuff of Widowmaker, and the glorious mess-ups of the Hanzo and Mercy reworks
The game pretty much boiled down to “Who has the better Widowmaker once the Hanzo melts all the tank defences”
So the team GOATS didn’t have a strong Hitscan dps player, so their next best option was to stack as much sustain and protection as possible.
The problems continued once Goats was solidified as the go to meta, because as soon as something came up that could possibly counter Goats (The comp) one of the players would swap in Widowmaker to nip the issue in the bud.
That’s why it took so long for Goats to break. It was the combination of how powerful Widowmaker was, and how much synergy there was at the time with the Goats lineup of heroes
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jokes aside, i definitely agree that she inspired XD the composition but i don’t think she’s the soul culprit. the majority of the goats heroes have some mechanic in their kit that’s made them part of most metas. Eg. Lucio, Zarya, Rein
The pros stuck to it because your tank line was toast if you didn’t mirror. As for ladder, there was far less goats than people think because surprise surprise people refuse to not play DPS. You can tell by Ana’s pickrate during this time.
Still, in the grand scheme of things, Brig was relatively easy to run and goats was relatively easy to run. There’s no denying her involvement in that, and a part that also needs to be mentioned is how broken Brig was on release, even without goats. She hurt the game badly during the ladder only grav dragon double sniper era.
I personally know so many ex OW players that just gave up during that time, and never really came back. Not just DPS, but GM tanks and supports too. IMO that massive loss of talent is still noticeable today.
Goats wouldn’t of existed without Brig, so yeah, she made Goats.
She literally has a Goat skin because of this… who are you trying to convince?
Exactly, for as long as I can pick widow, and grapple from an off angle, only 2 of you are safe from instant evaporation, anything that can be one shot does not receive the benefit of healing (something the game forgets when balancing their overall DPS for burst damage heroes) and you wonder why soldier despite all around being a decent hero is second rate and often seen as really bad because his healing feild is useless and in the time he can take one shot he will do 40 damage if he hits you in the head, in that same amount of time, he can take all of his health in damage making you a total liability and not capable of pushing the skill ceiling as hard as widow can. The games only counter being the fact of being the better of 2 widows, and one widow decides the fate of all 11 players in the lobby with her way too often. She’s too easy to pop off with, and if you are poppin, the other dps won’t be able to beat what you have, unless it’s area denial in which case then you have already messed up as widowmaker and you can’t count of that as a viable counter. Good post Uperior that’s a great sum of an issue, the game is dropping possible liabilities and every meta has been to stop burst damage since dive ended because it makes 75% of your team a complete liability where the fights are actually happening.
Fun fact. Nobody liked playing GOATS. It was a comp that people hated. After 3 months of tolerating it, players TRIED to not do it but it would not work because you could not win otherwise.
Every game was exactly the same. Door opens, neither side is GOATS. One side starts winning; losing side goes GOATS and starts winning. Now the other team has to go GOATS to match and everyone is unhappy.
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It’s too bad they don’t sell history books on Overwatch meta because you are wrong on so many levels here.
That’s not even close to how or why metas are made
The word M.E.T.A. in this context means Most Effective Tactic Available
In other words, it’s the strategy that will most consistently win over all others. The meta is the easiest way to win.
The meta isn’t made up of what people use to counter another strategy in particular, the meta is made up of the best characters at the current time. It is the dominant strategy.
Not quite. Goats never really tried to outsustain the enemy; the goal was always to last juuust long enough to maul the crap out of everyone. OG goats was more or less a more aggressive descendant of quad tank, and until mirrors started happening it was an incredibly fast comp. We saw teams start using Zen and Sombra eventually when that level of sustain was no longer needed.
Not really. Most of the time Goats could just overrun them without needing to waste ult charge on the switch. When it came to keeping counters down, that was largely left to Dva.
Meanwhile most counter comps were some high DPS variation of dive, which Widow has an even matchup against at best.