Blizzard why cant you just balance your supports?

Moira. I’m talking about Moira. I don’t think I have to explain why Moira is actually the most obnoxious support in the game, but I think it really boils down to a couple things. Her consistent damage over pretty extreme ranges, her ridiculous survivablity, and finally, her extremely high group heals. Most of all though… shes the almost as easy to play as mercy.

Damage--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Moira’s damage isn’t anything special. That is until you add on her orbs, as well as the fact that she has a long reaching auto lock (Blizzard please stop making these things.) She does 50DPS which isnt anything close to a dps hero, but she makes up for it by having a 30 damage life steal, meaning that anyone going against Moira has to do 80dps just to match her damage output and put her down before she kills you, an easy task for anyone playing DPS I’m sure. It gets worse.

Moira’s damage is auto locking, meaning she can strafe, back up, and jump as she pleases with zero pauses in-between. Putting aside the fact that you have to put way more effort to kill a SUPPORT character than they do to kill you, lets add the fact that her orb can be set to damage. This orb ALSO does 50 damage per second, and doesn’t interrupt her normal fire, making her dps now 100dps, with a life steal of 30, meaning the dps now has to do 130dps to compete with her.

Of course, this is implying that you’re dueling the moira, but I assure you it only gets worse if we add teammates, who can heal, defend, and attack with her. Of course, you can work with you’re team too, but remember that orb we mentioned? Well its still damaging you, and while it can be heard to see her in a sea of shields, bullets and enemy bodies, damage meant to you, sticks to you.

Moira in a 1v1 against a flanker, and do constant undeflectable damage to genji, auto lock to tracer, and outrange reaper, oh, and her range is long enough to again, snipe pharah (its 20 meters). Moira deters anyone who isnt sitting behind a barrier out of the game, and with the highest pickrate in the game, you might as well not even look to play you’re favorite hero.

Surviveability-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Trying to kill Moira is a joke. Seriously. On top of Moira’s damage ebing through the roof in the right circumstances, on top of trying to catch a healer out of position, moira has one very good free escape in an unsafe situation. Her blink.

Lets say you’re doing well in that 1v1. You somehow manage to get Moira out of position, you’re hitting all headshots, because otherwise her team would just turn around, or her other support would just heal her, or she would out self heal your damage.) She missed somehow missed her orb meaning she cant do 100 damage a second anymore and you finally get her to 10 health, then poof. Shes gone. She blinked away, and shes knee deep her team, probably calling you out, meaning you now have to disengage. Cool.

Moira’s blink makes her already difficult to deplete healthbar, disappear in the night like your hopes of actually winning that game, where she’ll most likely reappear into the arms of a big strong sigma. Its a joke. You must be thinking “Man bet she cant do that again in a Loooonggg while right?” 6 seconds. She can do it every 6 seconds. Yes, really.

Healing

By god does Moira do the most healing in the game. So somehow, blizzard saw everyone’s frustration with mercy, and said to themselves "Yea, hey guys instead of 50 healing per second, lets make a character do 80 HEALING per second, and not only have that healing go through allies, but have a AFTER EFFECT, of 65 health per second once you stop. Who’s idea was this. Who? Jeff, was it you my mans? Can you NOT?

That’s not even to mention that her orbs further amplify this with 75 healing per second per target. So whats her healing in combination? Oh that’s right. 155 healing per second. To a group of players. Jesus christ fix this.

Her ultimate--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You might be thinking… what kind of ultimate would this absolute god have? Well Ill tell ya. Coalescence is moiras ultimate and it makes her do 140 healing persecond that goes through barriers, while simultaneously healing 50 damage persecond to herself, cannot be reflected or stoppped except by map geometry, and because of the nature of the ultimate, causes her to sit at the back of her team. So basically, a good moira wont be shut down from this ult, unless shes sniped. GG.

Conclusion---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Either lower the potency of her healing and damge, or put more constrictions on when she can get those off. If she does 100 dps with her orb, increase its cooldown when using the damage version. If her damage HAS to be autolocking, reduce its range. ect, ect. I don’t want to see moira nerfed into the ground, but by god stop releasing supports so good they put dps heros to shame.

TLDR:
Moiras range is too good to have such good damage. Her healing is too good to have a 6 second Blink out of existence. Her cooldowns are too good to have abilities that potent. Please balance her.

EDIT: Moiras healing is getting nerfed. Look at that.

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What is going on with all the Moira hate?
The meta just favours her, if we wouldnt have double shield she would be just okay, nothing else.

I could understand if you would complain about her fade, which has a low cooldown for being super fast and being invisible but the other stuff?

Hell nah, in my eyes she is balanced besides her fade thingy.

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I literally laid out every single reason as to why I think shes busted. Her fade is a big problem, and maybe the meta favors her, but that doesn’t excuse her healing rate, her damage, or her ability to autolock and out maneuver flankers out of existence.

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I agree on that

You mean like her over time healing which is not a burst if not combined with the healing orb who has a long cooldown?

Never saw a big problem with that tho. If you can aim properly with a DPS you will do so much more DMG to a Moira then she will ever be able to pump out.

Yeah, I can max. agree on that

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First of all, it’s not an autolock.

Secondly, the meta favoring her isn’t what excuses those things, her complete lack of utility is what excuses those things. Every other support has something other than healing, damage, and survivability. Because she doesn’t, she needs to be better in those categories to make up for it.

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Okay but her healing and damage is objectively the best of all the supports. If you need utility… you have… get this, two supports on your team. Just make sure Moira is one of them…?

It’s funny because Moira has one of the best histories of being balanced out of the support category. One of the least changed, most middle of the pack, never mandatory, never useless, never made any other hero lose viability, all-round inoffensive hero designs made.

She is currently meta though, yes, but I would think that having the capability of becoming meta is itself a sign of balance. It’s not like she’s forcing the meta or anything.

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Her base healing is 80 healing per second. that is in no way low healing. In fact, its one of the best of any support character. The orb just enhances this.

Its not a big problem on its own, but the fact that it can snipe Pharah on top of its ability to enhance her strong burst damage, that makes it over obnoxious to deal with.

Brigitte is in the dumpster and has an ungodly low pickrate compared to her competition

Yet somehow Moira is the epitome of the imbalance in the Support roster

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You’re right. Shes not a must pick, but id argue that because of the reasons above that shes still equally eligible for a nerf, as she simply has too much power on one character.

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Not that we can deduce much from these stats alone given the sample sizes, but Brigitte’s winrate in top brackets is incredibly high.

Sorry but there are far bigger problems with balance than Moira.

Hanzo, Doomfist, Mei, Reaper, Sigma are all over tweaked currently
I want to add McCree, but I also don’t want to.

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Briggitte isn’t picked anymore because other healers have better ways of well… healing, and with symetra Torbjorn, and Moira better at dealing with flankers, theres literally no reason to pick her.

So how is Moira the most unbalanced Support, when there’s a Support with no reason to be in the hero roster currently?

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I think that given you’re criticizing the existence of her abilities, it really sounds like your issue with her lies more in her gameplay design rather than her balance.

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Strawman. I never said she was. Just that she should be nerfed.

A Genji Main complaining about Moira ? wow this is new

In Seriously No Moira isnt OP and she is already 1 of the balanced Hero that got ever added just because she counters ur Main doesnt mean she needs a nerf if u really have Problems against Moira than you maybe should play a Tank or any long range Hero like Spamzo, McCree or Widow. Moiras weak damage cant do anything against tanks but hey nerf the Damage :woman_shrugging:t2:

This is her Job Moira is a Support who can protect her Team from Flankers
Before Moira and Brigitte any other Support was a free kill for flankers because they didnt had anything to deal whit flankers

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Take up playing her.

When you find you can’t climb with her, you will understand something more about the game.

When people complain about a hero, the advice is ALWAYS the same, take them up, get that EASY EASY SR right?

Oh you can’t?

Well I guess you have learnt a thing.

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Sick argument.

Periods. Use them. Im gonna go ahead and guess that you didnt read half of the post before making your poorly made argument. So ill just repeat it.

Oponents have to do 80dps to beat her 20 meter auto lock. Her orb makes it 100dps. Saying “Play tank” Isn’t an argument. Of course Moira cant solo a tank, that would ridiculous. Look, you’re obviously very young, but I’ve laid out my arguments, so if you have no plan of actually responding to them, stop wasting my time.

And that’s cool and all, but this comment takes it out of context. I was saying that its a problem IN COMBINATION with everything else she has.

Zenyatta does more damage, so you’re wrong there. Her healing is really good, but it has little range and other healers don’t have to manage a resource meter or have as much trouble healing a spread out team.

And that’s two opportunities for utility. If one of the two is Moira, that’s just one opportunity for utility. You could pick Lucio’s speed, but then you’re not getting Ana’s anti-heal.

Her range is just 20 meters. If Pharah’s that close, she should either be landing her shots or using Barrage, both of which are bad for Moira.

She has no burst damage. With an orb she can do 100 DPS which is impressive, but it’s still sustained damage and not burst.

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