Mercy autoheals without abilities
Moira autoheals dealing damage and with orbs (10 sec cd)
Zen autoheals without abilities
Lucio autoheals with his shift (no cd)
Brig autoheals only dealing damage (but she has a shield 500hp and 250hp with armor)
And Baptiste? He can autoheal only with shift with 15 SECONDS CD, exaggerated to be honest, that cool down should be 10 sec like the Moira’s orbs
It’s also an effortless aoe heal so to make sure his aoe healing isn’t too ridiculous it has a long CD
Sounds like poor design to me
Yeah they made it a small aoe heal so they didn’t repeat the same mistake of an unending aoe heal with brig
I see OP left out the fact Ana can’t self-heal without burning one of her most useful abilities on herself.
Baptiste’s self-heal is available as often as 76’s biotic field, and heals through more damage due to the way the HPS is applied.
Regenerative Burst is meant to be used with his team though.
have you forgotten that he has a immortality field?
atleast they can be killed while baptiste can survive anything, would gladly swap healing orb for immortality field any day
Ana cant heal herself either unless she uses biotic grenade which unless she’s being dove, is kinda a waste
Then what do you call moira’s heal orb? That thing has a much shorter cd, heals more and is about just as effortless the only downside is dva can eat but good moira’s find a way.
Baptiste’s shift should at most be 12s like Ana.
Requires stacked up specifically in front of her to get the most out of it and gets weaker the more it heals
Baptiste instantly hits everyone around him in 10m and they get the full 150 heal
IF you stick with your team and actually have a second healer it’s not often a problem. Yes it only works every 15 seconds but it is also a heal over time so it gives you health for a few seconds as well.
Most people seem to think Baptiste is Widowmaker, that he should be perched up on the high ground 40m behind his team. When it’s almost the exact opposite he does best being near his team. Not only does his Regen also heal his team, it makes him easier to heal and able to take cover with his allies bodies/shields.
When your on the high ground your an easy target for the enemy and a harder target to quickly heal for the second healer.
Why use her heal orb on her team when she can just spray with her heal juice and ult. I personally play a lot of moira and all I use her orbs for is self heal and dmg.
And so I stay a live and do **** load of healing anyway.
Same thing applies to Baptise, using shift for healing team is a waste. He has amazing and fast AoE healing, its not a joke if you know what you are doing, combining that with immortality field it’s much more efficient and faster"hps". Using shift for himself is most ideal.
His shift is his best “self peel” the problem ofc is that it’s cd is so long so it can be fairly easy to kill him.
I personally think if they wanted to really buff him, they should reduce the cd on shift instead of this matrix/more nades stuff going on atm. If they continue to refuse to do so, I expect field buff next and honestly I don’t think anyone wants that.
Because damage orb is generally worthless and for when you don’t have your ult or if using your ult would just not be a good time to use now since it disables fade
It really isn’t
I mean self preservation for a support is really useful but throwing away 900 healing isn’t always a good decision either
and generally you can do both anyway
I’d argue his field is better for self peeling
I think he’s fine as is
It’s fine for supports to have a weakness
His weakness, Like Ana’s is self sustain
Solo supporting is generally a difficult thing to do and it makes sense he would be designed assuming there’s a second healer to get your back
It’s not worthless at all. It’s great at finishing targets and getting ult charge which is quite high on a support priority list. It’s also good at peeling and getting rid of targets in rooms – just throwing it at widow forces a reposition. The only time it’s “worthless” is against a dva.
900 healing? Man mercy’s valk must be so op, 60hps 6 people, damn we should nerf mercy some more.
You are idealizing it. Even bunker comps don’t all stick so close to each other. At most you are healing 3 people with it and that includes yourself and it’s a slow heal – it’s not instant all. His nades are much faster like i’ve said. Usually you will heal your target faster with your nades and they will be full by the time your regenerative burst finishes ticking.
Yeah you can do both when you are the one being attacked sure.
His field should not be used as self peel. Using shift for peeling for teammates is the worse decision you can make. Field is a much more powerful ability. So just because it’s better for self peeling doesn’t mean that it should be used that way. If you have a decision between the two and you pick field you are making a mistake, or you are suffering due to the 15s cd.
He is fine for now. I personally just don’t trust blizzard, not in the slightest. With how the game is currently in balance terms I have no freaking faith them. Weaknesses are fine but it is also completely fine to buff said weaknesses so that you don’t end up with a ridiculously OP and annoying hero because you ended up buffing their strengths even more. It’s how we ended up with the current power creep.
I am not even saying that Baptiste needs buffs. Currently he has his niche. It’s just who knows what happens in the future, I am just hoping that instead of buffing his nades, dmg, ult or worse of all his field they will just lower shift cd. Regenerative burst is the best ability you can buff without breaking him. He gets more self peel and his healing will still be pretty much the same at high ranks. At worst healing in lower ranks will be higher but it’s really not that big a deal when it means he can be more useful in all ranks without being a monster.
Baptiste sucks right now. His pickrate is the lowest among supports across all ranks. He barely beats out Moira in GM, which is terrible considering Moira has a godawful pickrate in GM.
He needs a buff somewhere. Increasing his matrix time slightly and his healing ammo clip isn’t enough.
It’s almost like Blizzard doesn’t want supports to be easily self sustainable, and are deliberately making them rely on a co support or other teammates.
If you throw down an Immortality Field to save yourself, you got outplayed and have wasted a very strong ability, putting your team at a huge disadvantage.
Immortality field makes his survivability a lot better but my main source of survivability when I’m Baptiste is either my off healer or health packs.
tbh as someone who plays all the heroes mentioned.
Baptiste autoheal is better than probably all of those.
Mercy and Zen really shouldnt be on that list. The only way they ‘‘selfheal’’ is by not taking dmg/ulting, and those are their only defensive abilities. They are completely dependent on kiting, teammate positioning, teammate help, enemy lack of awarenes/aim to survive anything. Meanwhile baptiste heals him self 150hp over 5 seconds and his teammates around him, while having mobility, and doing dmg and the heal doesnt get stopped by anything short of anti nade. And on top of that has pretty insane aoe heal for his team and a haha nothing dies now ability.
His self heal is more than fine in my opinion, hes not supposed to be a one man army.
You can’t really compare the support self heals anymore.
On one end you have moira doing 105 hp/s, and on the other you have this.
the closest 2nd is Mercy @ 20hp/sec.