Bap lacks a significant role in the Meta. I feel like despite him being a “battle medic”, he is very much the most defensive main healer. He needs more bite in his kit, because even with his potential damage output, he never really fully utilizes it because you have to focus SO much on healing since he got the heal nerf and it can be really wonky to use. I honestly think there is no reason why Bap should have a lower HPS than Moira, and that is not even considering that it is much easier to miss Baps healing than Moira’s. If they gave 5 more heals per grenade even, it would make it so Bap could spend less time heal botting and more time searching for individual impact.
Whenever i play bap, i feel like I have to focus so much more on healing than other main healers because he can’t fully compete with Moira’s AOE healing combined with her spam damage or Ana’s nade impact combined with her single target healing. He also does not really enable any heroes, other than maybe bastion, the way Mercy does. So where does he really fit in?
Also sure Baptiste needs a look at but you just literally ignored the fact that you have immortality field as well
Also Baptiste DOESN’T have have that much lower HPS than Moira he shots more than 1 grenade per second it’s like 1.2 so he heals 62.5 per second with his primary and Moira heals 65 per second with her primary 2.5 more than Baptiste.
His primary is also reloaded by pressing R, Moira has to damage to get her healing back, which if there is shields in the way will take her much loner to regen her resource as she won’t be able to recharge. Moira’s healing has the slowest reload in the game, especially if you’re unable to damage the enemy due to shield.
Not saying Baptiste is good, but you need to not bring Moira down for your argument when she is already performing really bad in high rank.
Moira is not the problem here, he was meta after double shield (sigma/Orisa) got nerfed. The problem is ALL the nerfs he received after his RoF got buffed on his damage. That gut Baptiste so bad and it made him bad, he didn’t need RoF to his damage, which THEN caused his whole kit to get nerfed, he was fine how he was prior. and yes I am still angry 6+ months later after his nerfs cause they were unfair. They just needed to revert RoF on damage, THAT IS ALL.
why doesn’t Ana get the SAME treatment as Moira, Baptiste, Mercy when they were all meta???
I’m a GM/t500 moira player and one of the original GM moira player, I would consider myself to easily be one of the best moira players. Moira is all about individual impact, making plays, etc. I carry with no problem on her. You also fail to mention her heal orb which brings her healing to 140hps AND her HOT. Also coalescence combined with orb can potentially heal 215hps, while also damaging 70 dps. Bap only has regeberative burst whoch puts him at a max of 92.5 hps, with a higher cool down. Baps ult is easily one of the easiest to mess up and definitely not as consistent value as coalescence, it maxes his healing with ult qt 125 hps. also on average between Bap and moira I easily heal about 8-10% more on Moira and I consider myself to be equally good at both. Bap is just an automatic burden to your team no matter how well you are playing because other healers end teamfights so much more efficiently than he can. He was designed to extend teamfights, not end them.
Bap is the practically the opposite of Moira and Ana he draws out team fights with all his healing (which is not even the highest healing) AND he has IF which is just another defensive ability for drawing out teamfights. The Devs have CLEARLY stepped away from that type of gameplay, yet left Bap in a state where he is pretty much designed to be played in a way blizzard is no longer going to empower. So why should they leave him in this state? They nerfed IF like crazy to make him less defensive, nerfed his damage to make him less offensive, and then also nerfed his healing to further relegate him to just a heal machine, with an ability that can bail him out when his healing inevitably fails where other healers would not have. IF can be clutch, but it is not as valuable as the Moira and Ana’s ability to end twam fights.
You did not mention any of her abilities or HOT. Sure if you compare only primary healing Bap looks pretty comparable.
I made a comparison to all three healers, you zoned into Moira specifically because clearly you are a little biased. She was only mentioned in the title because the devs are looking at changing her and i think she is in a better place than Bap. That was the only comparison to her that I made, which I didn’t to other healers.
Of course I am going to come here for a discussion about Moira and I was never biased and I never said that Baptiste was better than Moira, nor did I say that moira was better than Baptiste.
He was good before he got the RoF damage buff that then later got his whole kit gutted, as I said before this has nothing to do with Moira and they should still look at Moira she is so bad right now at high rank.
Moira is not Bad at high rank, she is just stigmatized. She is used in OWL and in GM/T500 as consistent enough as a hero like Moira should be. Which is still quite a bit. I play her against pros all the time just fine. Ana is stronger because she is a very offensive healer, and that is the direction most people and the devs want to go. They should make more healers like her rather than nerf her to oblivion.
Yeah so good at high ranks that everyone is reporting, avoiding and cussing you for picking her. threatening your life and so on because she is trash pick
This happens all the time to my friend. I got to witness it recently on his stream and it made me very sad to watch.
Like I said, she is stigmatized, not bad. I play her in t500, and none of that ever happens to me. It was much worse before double shield when no one really played her beyond masters because she was considered a throwpick despite not actually being one. Right now her pickrate even in GM is very solid. You are making up an issue that does not exist. Ana is the best, but Moira is still very good. Most people have come to accept that since double shield, including in Masters+
I just hate his ultimate. It’s like the least impactful support ultimate in the game. It’s a tiny window that’s easily walled off, and it assumes you want to anchor in place instead of push forward.
It’s only real use is to buff Firestrike into a one-shot, but no one else really cares about it. Half the roster can’t use it, and the other half won’t ever find a good angle to make it worth anything.
Bap needs a coupla minor buffs and he’ll be in a good place. Some ult adjustment, an aoe increase in his nades. Any of those and he’ll be good. Then a couple more and he’ll be ana-tier, if you like.
That happens with any person who consistently plays off meta in GM+. That is not a moira exclusive issue. You are using anecdotal evidence to support your bias. It sucks that he was banned, but that does not mean Moira is a throwpick, it just means high-level players are a***oles to off meta players.
No idea… but I got to admit his release was the most boring one too tbh…
My friend was Baptiste main until his nerf now he is just an Ana player. I don’t think he has any voice lines between Moira… or I just never heard them yet lol
So then you agree, it is not because she is not strong? Because you are not making your point by adding this.
If genji becomes Meta, it will most certainly be good for Moira. She is a great way to deal with him by slowing his ult generation and preventing him from harrassing your team. He is great with ana and Nano, but he is also very good at taking out Ana. It is not a total lose for Moira.
