Absolutely not. Ive said nothing to suggest this. None of those are worthy of a report imo.
These are the kinds of things id argue are reportable and its also worth noting i cant recall coming across any of them except the sombra situation which happened against me and on my team straight after by the same person. (Sombra just stayed invis and watched every1 fight all game whilst providing zero coms)
Right but I don’t think OP is talking about those situations. Hammer Torb is intentionally lowering your dps for no reason, Mercy’s dps is crap and her role is to heal so yeah.
The Sombra bit can arguably be just a bad Sombra. Unless she is literally just running around invis spraying stuff and using voice lines. Sombra’s who try to get sneaky hacks and run are the worst but some people legit think that’s how she is played. I pity them but wont report.
The sombra came out of invis now and again to emote in front of enemies tbf so obvious throw
Nah a select few (especially dodo) argue that this kind of behaviour isnt reportable. After claiming i would report a zero heals battle mercy i received this reply lol
My reply is correct, and I stand by it
If the person doing the throwing action in question is truely trying it is NOT throwing.
If player A genuinely believes standing behind the team for a minute scouting is helpful they are not throwing they are just playing poorly.
Just because someone thinks it’s throwing doesn’t make it true. Just because I yell my opinion the loudest doesn’t make it the most convincing.
Edit: to add
If you vocally say someone that is playing badly is throwing or you type this out I believe you to be the reportable one as you are being toxic to someone that is doing their best.
What is the actual difference between the situations the OP is talking about and these though? Clearly there’s a spectrum of behaviour from outright declaring that you’re going to throw and making a simple error of judgement.
Other people in this thread want to draw the line between throwing and not throwing at the point where someone states that they are throwing. That, to me, defies common sense when you look at situations like a perma invis sombra that doesn’t even try to hack.
At the bottom end of bronze… maybe. If it happens above gold, you’d have to have your head buttond up at the back to not think they were throwing.
How does 1 determine if some1 is trying or throwing? Do we have to ask politely? Id argue using our brains and possibly replays to determine it and then acting accordingly would lead to better results
Just cus some1 claims theyre not throwing whilst repeatedly jumping off map, playing dps mercy or torb hammer only, doesnt make it true
What legal system applies to overwatch and where are its definitions posted?
Certainly there is.
I think this is very clear. Everyone, including pros make poor choices that may cost them the point. Playing with the “spam until I get blade Genji” or the “super aggressive Rein” may feel bad and they prob are holding your team back a bit but that isn’t throwing. That just people sucking and prob why they are in the rank they are in.
I don’t think OP is trying to define what is or isn’t throwing down to the last details. I think he’s just trying to point out how common it is for people to point fingers when things go sour due to some mistakes. Should feel fairly common seeing how ppl are so quick to call others trash.
I believe the terms of service are a service level agreement enforceable under US law. If Blizzard were to refuse paying customers access to the game in breach of their own terms of service a legal claim would most definitely be possible.
How does US law define the crime of throwing and what are the tests that must be proven to establish guilt?
It does not define throwing. It would use the ordinary definition. It does define intent, however.
In the circumstances, and given the nature of the agreement which allows Blizzard scope for making judgements it is likely that it would be sufficient that Blizzard reasonably believed a person was throwing.
Well using a little common sense here I mean if they keep jumping off the map clearly I don’t know why you even brought that up but a mercy playing dps isn’t throwing in my opinion if they are actively trying to kill the enemy team… is it optimal, no… is it throwing while she’s trying to eliminate the team… no.
So I’m not sure if I follow.
Wasn’t your position that throwing does not require intent to lose?
Cool story op. Bet you’re just a troll who needs confirmation from others.
No. My position was that ‘intent’ has a broader definition than purely direct intent.
So for example, where a person takes an action and it is a natural consequence of that action that X happens, and X is reasonably foreseeable, in law they are regarded as having intended X regardless of their actual subjective state of mind at the time.
A concrete example of this is the person who intends to bring down a plane, but does not intend to kill the passengers. Because it is a natural consequence of bringing down the plane that the passengers will be put in harms way and that harm is reasonably foreseeable they are regarded as having what is known as oblique intention.
Ah I get it.
So by that principle, if torb is virtually certain or ought to have been virtually certain that him not switching while getting hard countered will cost the team the game, even if it is not his goal or direct intent to lose the game, then he can be held as intending to lose the game through oblique and reported for throwing.
Nice.
See, this is a bad example. Because, if they do it for long enough, you just described inactivity, which is a reportable offense
But, you can’t really report somebody for just being bad. Some people seem to think that you can report based on Hero Picks, or things like “Oh, they died 5 times, instead of 2, so im going to report them.”
Reporting is based on blizzards standards and rules, not someone’s arbitrary thoughts and feelings
Basically, For Better or For Worse, if it’s not in black and white on that report page, it’s not reportable
Essentially, yes. If someone does something that will cause their team to lose, and it was reasonably foreseeable that their actions would cause their team’s loss, then you are justified in reporting them for throwing.
This is a good point.
This is what I go with. Despite my dislike of one-tricks and annoyance with bad players I will not report.
I just don’t want to report someone because they are bad. The thing about being countered, some people are really bad when it comes to game awareness.
Like this one time our Doom was just constantly getting Hacked but he wouldn’t die because we’d pour a ton of resources into saving him.
Finally after we lost the first point he was asked to swap and he legit thought he was doing amazing because he had “plenty of medals” and had gotten a solid 3 man kill a min before.
We had to explain that we were blowing everything to keep him up and then would get run over when we had no CDs left. He annoyed the hell out of me but he was just dense.