How can you pretend to be better than someone if you just banned their main hero?
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In before:
“Your hero is a crutch hero.”
You can’t win with ban supporters
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I am not sure if this defeats the purpose of the system given Blizzard has not really disclosed why they want a ban system; however, I would have zero issues with hero bans if each player had a protection.
This seems like a bad idea. It would just result in people protecting the most powerful heroes and trying to ban all their counters. For example, if last week if someone protected Mauga and banned Ana.
Like this “I don’t need to use my main to beat your cheese strat.”
Besides it really tests you as a player and creates an obstacle for players to overcome.
Not every match is going to run the same way and in turn you expecting to play the exact same way is actually a bigger bad habit than you think.
In truth…dabbling in other heros will make you better and we have a big enough roster to cross practice certain mechanics that you could be focusing on. But you don’t…
And people ask you, why not?
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Omfg…that is a monetization tactic they could add…but would be highly abusive and proceed towards p2w status for us all.
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I do not want to be better at the game. I just want to reap their souls. That is it.
I understand that part of the fun for people is to adapt to different maps, compositions, and situations by swapping to a hero that best fits the situation. That is great. I love that for them.
I enjoy the same thing, only doing it as Reaper. I still have plenty of adjustments that I have to make in the match to respond to the circumstances presented.
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I see the issue.
I doubt Hog will be banned that much unless players also ban Ana.
But look on the bright side.
If Anas get banned a lot it leaves your Hog and Reaper uncontested to go ham.
There’s good and bad sides to it and that’s mostly depending on players.
I think more support characters should have some type of on-demand speed boost like Lucio so I feel less obligated to play him at all times. I know Kiriko’s ult sort of offers movement speed, but it’s not nearly as on-demand and is fairly limited in scope.
Edit: My honest thoughts though is that there aren’t enough characters in the game to warrant having a ban system. They experimented with the ban system in OW 1 and it felt really bad when one week they randomly banned 2 supports, so then players were stuck with like 4 supports to choose from, most of which had no mobility.
Also this makes the game even more pay 2 win as I’m still struggling to unlock Ramatra, Mauga, Lifeweaver and Kiriko.
Edit: I can’t remember, but I think they banned Mercy and Moira, who at the time were perceived as being the only two main healers (Ana was nerfed or something). So players were stuck exclusively playing off healers or something?
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I do not want people who enjoy Ana to lose the ability to play Ana either. It is just strictly bad in my opinion. There is no positive to it from my perspective…
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Hm.
If anything you can help me understand.
I see it as a flat out big positive with a small downside.
It changes nothing outside of making my games easier. If someone’s main is banned and they are forced to play a hero they are bad at, that would just be lame. I do not want THEIR options restricted. I am imposing a limitation on myself because it does not influence anyone else.
You could argue that I have the ability to swap to Soldier 76 and wipe the floor with them. It is technically true; however, my MMR is adjusted strictly to Reaper only. The matchmaking is putting me into lobbies tuned specifically to how my Reaper has been performing. I am a constant. I am not letting anyone down.
If they ban Reaper and I play my Soldier, it is not going to be a fair match. Or the opposite, if I break out my Genji, my team will be the one at a disadvantage. It’s not fair. I am not trying to manipulate my MMR just to treat the enemy team as training bots or throw games.
I am not even sure how I am supposed to face this moral dilemma.
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I don’t know bud.
I find it better to be restrictive on the abusive playstyles rather than just ban targeting players just because we suddenly can.
I doubt Reaper or Hog will be banned much. Your supports love the self healing and Mauga is seen as prpblematic right now with Zarya and Orisa up there.
Then Sigma still plagues the high ranks for tanks.
I think paranoia is setting in for many since they never had the need to afjust in OW. But you could argue that counterswap is the only way to adjust besides well…getting gud.
And right now between the problematic balancing, hero releases, and counterswapping, I find hero bans to be less of an issue that can help control these elements and further bring player opinion straight to the devs themselves.
I’m in the same boat as Buddha.
I play Overwatch for the heroes. I have a character in mind, and that is why I boot up the game. Thats how its always been for me.
I’m especially loving Ramattra at the moment, and frankly, none of the other tank heroes compare for me. If I couldn’t tank on Ram, why am I playing this game?
Same goes for returning players that miss their old main, the hype of a new hero/buff/rework that players want to try, or disadvantaged players that entered OW because of its accessible hero options.
It just seems unnecessarily exclusionary.
A barrier to fun for the sake of balance.
(And it wouldn’t even help balance that much. It would force otherwise skilled one-tricks into lower mmr brackets, resulting in more one-sided stomps and making one-tricks an even bigger issue than they already are.)
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I believe that to be a rather extreme take on the ban system.
Considering Ram is like middle of the pack and his tier status wavers heavily dependent on player skill. Well until they buff him to ridiculous levels again, which he already had his spotlight moment in earlier seasons. So chances are he’s not going to be banned there much.
And Mauga who is most likely to be banned will make your match experience better since Mauga chews up Ram like bubblegum.
I think your fear of missing out on Ram play for a few games is getting to your head when comparing the fact that your match quality will increase due to other influences.
I do have a question though. Have you never had a match where counterswapping forced you off of Ram at all?
Wouldn’t it still be the same thing with or without the ban system but in our current format be too late to try to adjust with a hero swap?
This is how most of us feel honestly. If I were going to be forced to play tank it would honestly be Junker Queen. If I had to suddenly play Zarya or Sigma, I would instantly lose interest in what I’m doing.
I also feel like as a Support player that OW 2 kind of made me pick a main and stick with it because when OW 2 launched Supports were getting killed so easy compared to OW 1 that it felt like if I didn’t auto-lock Lucio before the other support player on my team, I was going to have a terrible experience.
Maybe this has changed, but I basically just never stopped playing Lucio because of this.
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I was a Mercy one trick into dive.
Then I was a LĂşcio one trick into Sombra.
Then I was an Orisa one trick onto Goats.
Then I was a Brig one trick into poke.
I’ve had plenty of experiences where I know I could preform much better if I swapped off my hero. But that’s exactly the fun of it: facing a challenge and learning how to overcome it with my toolset.
I play to have fun, and I play to improve.
My method of winning may not look like your preferred method, but why should my strategy be discounted so heavily my heroes are physically locked from me?
I don’t think thats such an atrocious ask.
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I main Wreckingball. Trust me I know all about that.
But even through all my pride and ego. I can honestly say I can weather the storm here even if I lose out on WBall.
I’ve been there done that and understand you a lot.
What I don’t understand is the fear of going back to those heros you spent so much time on for like a single match to a few.
Then looking at the roster you just gave me, chances are none, if any, of those will be even highly banned anyways.
I can’t speak for EvelUp, but personally: I’m not sure that it’s the same thing. If I swap off, it still feels like my choice. If the character I want to play is simply not on the table, then it’s not my decision.
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That same choice is also what is causing the crutchswaps and counterswap to run rampant.
I mean if Blizz is not going to do proper balancing what other choices do we have left?
Leave or get good right? And that just sound abhorrent.